On Tue, 20 Apr 2010, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:

Hi Edward.

> No, NAT will not be necessary or useful anymore in IPv6 for the sake of
> creating address space.  Yes, NAT could be useful to mask your internal
> network topology from the wild world web.  If you do implement NAT to mask

Does it though?

To me "network topology" refers to how the subnets relate to one another - 
not the actual IP addresses used.  If someone can see an internal address 
on my network they can't tell where in my network it is.

Various sorts of probing can be used to derive the topology to an 
accessible IP address but methods to limit or prevent these probes are 
well understood.

I'll tell you what does expose internal network topologies - SMTP headers 
and that happens right now whether NAT is in use or not.  Any other 
application which records its path through the network in the application 
headers is similarly exposing network topology.

For the record this is my take on NAT in IPv6.  I've presented this 
argument a number of times in recent years.

An entire generation of sysadmins have grown up thinking of NAT as an 
integral part of networking.  As a result some sites will use many:one NAT 
or one:one NAT and some won't.

Eventually it will become evidence that NAT offers no appreciable benefits 
but costs real money to maintain.  Usage will fade away over a number of 
years.  I expect CFOs and sysadmins will be in agreement that it has to 
go.

> (4) There's no reason IPv4 needs to die.  In all likelihood, devices which

I predict IPv4 will only exist in isolated pockets by about 2020.  The 
reason is the same one as above.  Maintaining dual stack systems requires 
additional resources (money).  Apps will need to support it, testing/QA 
will need to occur, etc.  Companies will monitor the proporation of users 
accessing their systems over IPv4 or IPv6.  As long as dual stack client 
machines try IPv6 first the proportion of IPv4 will steadily reduce.

Eventually it will hit a point when it is no longer cost effective for 
companies to support IPv4.  While we may argue about whether my predicted 
timeframe is accurate I think the general trend must hold true.

Cheers,

Rob

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