Assuming you want a full-time executive director, and based on my limited sample size of one organization (a telecom-tangential trade organization) you’re looking at more like $50k-$60k. That’s a healthy sum, and probably out of LOPSA’s reach for the time being.
David Smith From: discuss-boun...@lists.lopsa.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.lopsa.org] On Behalf Of Martin James Gehrke Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 2:48 PM To: David Lang Cc: Lopsa Discussion Subject: Re: [lopsa-discuss] Does LOPSA have a project manager? I see 2 ways to advance LOPSA; Time or Money Money I think the biggest step that LOPSA can make is hiring a part/full time executive director. This cost money. Time If you don't have the $$ to advance that, then donate time to do what an executive director would be doing. Volunteer time is great, but it is precious, sporadic, and its usefulness depends on the volunteer. I think the one thing LOPSA could do to further its/our aims/agenda/plan for world domination is to hire an ED. The ED doesn't have to be a SysAdmin, actually it probably would be better if they weren't. They would be someone with experience in running a nonprofit. My completely uninformed 30 seconds guess at cost would be 20k a year. I think that is completely doable. That is 400 members at $50 a year. Of course just hiring someone won't solve anything if there isn't a direction from the board and a plan for what they need to do. Regardless: hire someone. /rant over On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 6:39 PM, David Lang <da...@lang.hm<mailto:da...@lang.hm>> wrote: If everyone had the priorities that you described, no volunteering would ever happen :-) There are probably a bunch of people who could help with specific tasks or who could fill in for someone else, but how do they find out what needs to be done? How much work is needed to get them access to the systems that they would need to do the work (if it's technical stuff)? People volunteer to commit their time, and need to recognize when they are not going to have time any longer and volunteer to step down from the jobs they had. In between, they need to be commited to getting the job done. do we need a separate mailing list for calls for volunteer help to keep from flooding the discussion lists and annoying people who don't have time? David Lang On Wed, 25 Feb 2015, Edward D'Azzo-Caisser wrote: Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 18:18:04 -0500 From: Edward D'Azzo-Caisser <edazzocais...@gmail.com<mailto:edazzocais...@gmail.com>> To: Craig Constantine <cr...@constantine.name<mailto:cr...@constantine.name>> Cc: Lopsa Discussion <discuss@lists.lopsa.org<mailto:discuss@lists.lopsa.org>> Subject: Re: [lopsa-discuss] Does LOPSA have a project manager? Maybe we should turn this around. I don't think we have a project management problem, I think we have a doer problem. So it makes more sense to wedge someone into the org chart at the bottom, who can be thrown into any project that's currently short handed. Manpower is a resource and LOPSA is completely made up of volunteers. Everyone from the board to someone who decides to man the LOPSA table at a conference for an hour. That means there's no real impetus to place LOPSA ahead of other obligations. I hear the phrase "life comes first!" and it's true. I would always choose my job before my volunteer obligations; my family before my work obligations; myself before my family obligations. If something gets dropped in the mix, it's going to be LOPSA. Every program already has a chair and a board member to handle the high level vision. If the chair needs to take a step back, the board can still exert control over the project until a new chair is appointed. Some programs even have more than one chair! So that's anywhere between 2 - 3 people handling the Project Management aspect of the organization. And if that goes away, the only down side is that a program stops *growing*. This isn't good, but it's by no means the end of the world. But every LOPSA program also has a minimum set of tasks it needs to perform in order keep functioning. If all the people who would usually be able to perform these tasks vanish because of a surge in work/personal responsibilities, a project can become completely ignored. The board liaison is still committed by nature of their position, but they're busy managing LOPSA as a whole and are more likely than not trying to get more manpower into the faltering program. They wouldn't need to grab a project manager. They need to grab someone to handle the low level requests and just keep things trucking. Especially since most of the low-level tasks aren't terribly engaging. Ideally, I think this should be someone whose priorities are different than most LOPSA members. Someone less likely to choose something else over LOPSA. Perhaps an intern, or an actual paid position now that the organization is debt free. On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 8:47 PM, Craig Constantine <cr...@constantine.name<mailto:cr...@constantine.name>> wrote: (disclosure: I'm not a proj mgr, I am not good at pm, and I do not want to be a pm for lopsa.) The more I try to help actually do things, the more I'm working with other volunteers who seem to be very over-worked. (Mind you, it seems they bring this on themselves, rather than it being dumped on.) Several people I've talked to, seem to be pulled between the "doing" and the "managing". So without my spiralling off into examples, does my perception seem right to anyone else? Would it make sense, to try to wedge a general project manager into the LOPSA org chart somewhere? ...someone tasked with keeping the global view of everything we are doing as directed by the Board? ...someone to advocate for resources when they see individual people getting over-burdened or projects stalling? 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