Hi, > Edmund Laugasson wrote: >> Hereby are my proposals to consider: >> >> o *topic: zooming feature in presentation* - e.g. famous >> proprietary Prezi <https://prezi.com/> and its FLOSS counterpart >> Sozi <https://sozi.baierouge.fr/> (together with Inkscape >> <https://inkscape.org/>) but today also MS PowerPoint have >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-E2o0H6_pg> these zooming >> presentation features. *Would kindly ask TDF Board help to >> engage developers to implement these zooming features seen in >> Sozi, Prezi, MS PowerPoint also into LibreOffice Impress and >> improve also ODF accordingly.* * >> > Would love to see that! That said, TDF as a charity cannot easily > develop software, so it's more the 'try and motivate volunteers to > help improving Impress' angle that might be successful here. > > Two suggestions to push this further: > - cut this down into more bite-sized pieces (which is more manageable > and rewarding for volunteers)
Well - zooming presentation is the feature. How to cut this into pieces? Possibly look what MS PowerPoint and Prezi allow to do. Certainly there are details, different options - I guess we would like to do all this and probably even more that those programs do not allow in order to more engage users to use LibreOffice. Well - don't have MS PowerPoint (only free account in MS OneDrive and there is web-based MS PowerPoint) - only that referred video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-E2o0H6_pg (certainly from video portals can be searched more) and Prezi is usable for everyone via web. I guess it requires programmatical point of view to understand, what is the chunk size suitable for developers. Probably one function per chunk, e.g. scroll mouse up: one; scroll mouse down: second; etc. Basically I see that I (probably are more interested users) need to describe all functionality that MS PowerPoint and Prezi have related with zooming presentation feature and every action that can be done is one chunk suitable for developers. > - engage with the UX & design project to come up with ideas how to > best integrate that with the existing GUI (their list ist > des...@global.libreoffice.org) Well - probably on way is to look how existing apps mentioned above have done by integrating zooming presentation feature. Haven't participated yet - don't know that community, hopefully can find right words to engage. > After that, e.g. adding a more fully fleshed-out proposal to the GSoC > ideas list might find a motivated student next year > (https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas). That, I guess, needs to be polished already by developers, designers. > o *topic: zooming feature (and much more) in spreadsheet* - > referring to TreeSheets <http://strlen.com/treesheets/> and its > tutorial <http://strlen.com/treesheets/docs/tutorial.html> and > intro video <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB-saQZfrsw>. > *Would kindly ask TDF Board help to engage developers to > implement these features seen in TreeSheets also into > LibreOffice Calc and improve also ODF **accordingly*. > > Same answer probably as above - just in this case, it feels a bit like > a fringe feature, where perhaps people who _want_ to use it, could use > the original (which is Free Software just as well)? Well - TreeSheets (the original) is developed quite slowly, has unique file format that is not usable in smart devices and still lacks some features and has some disturbing issues. We can then say that why zooming presentation while we have Sozi as free software? Somehow MS PowerPoint decided also duplicate even proprietary Prezi has all it. I just thought that LibreOffice developer community is more vibrant and creative - therefore there is more probable to move on faster and through it make LibreOffice more functional than ever before - this applies in both zooming presentation and spreadsheets. Shall LibreOffice have zooming presentation because MS PowerPoint has it? Probably. But zooming spreadsheet is definitely something that MS Excel doesn't have but even that could change in future as current mailing list archive could be read also by Microsoft people... >> o **much better SVG >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Vector_Graphics> support >> (edit, save, open) in LibreOffice** - if not yet then would >> propose to replace all graphics in LibreOffice with SVG >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Vector_Graphics> images >> (menus, clipart, etc). Also allow edit SVG >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Vector_Graphics> and >> save/open into/from that file format in LibreOffice. E.g. allow >> save (initially also e.g. export) Writer, Draw, Impress >> (possibly also others) documents into SVG and later also open, >> edit seamlessly. As SVG >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Vector_Graphics> is also >> XML-based and FLOSS format then hopefully it is easy to add. >> Especially in the lights of upcoming SVG2 standard >> <https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/>. >> > SVG support could certainly be even better in LibreOffice, I > agree. But there's a great FLOSS program for svg editing, Inkscape - > so I wonder, how much of that would make sense to duplicate? That's a good question. E.g. LibreOffice Draw duplicates most features found in Inkscape and still exist. As Inkscape has more features then for real drawing users will probably use Inkscape. But still LibreOffice has Draw despite there are some better FLOSS drawing programs out there. The question is then - will LibreOffice have then great import features of SVG when it is created with Inkscape? I mean recognize layers and all others. Also same applies to export. For me Inkscape has more features so that I (might not be the only one) might need to abandon LibreOffice and switch to Inkscape unless I really need features that do not exist in Inkscape, e.g. fields in text editor, calculations in spreadsheet, database queries, etc. As writing text, drawing are possible also in Inkscape and designing features are also right there. Still I think that keeping people using LibreOffice, it is worth to have enough engaging features right in LibreOffice. > There's also some subtle differences in ODF vs. SVG, that make it hard > to convert one into the other without data loss. That's true and therefore I thought that possibly there would be easier to switch to Inkscape than try to revamp ODF. >> * *ODP export script for Sozi* - here is the recent developer post >> <https://github.com/senshu/Sozi-export/issues/25#issuecomment-624238494> >> where is asked easy-to-use node.js module for Sozi to allow easily >> export SVG presentation into OpenDocument Presentation. There >> already is similar node.js module for proprietary PPTX export. >> *Would kindly ask TDF Board help to engage developers to create such >> ODP-module**for Sozi*. >> > Read the github issue, interesting conversation - my take from that > is, that perhaps better, overall ODF library support would be great to > have! Well, actually I started that issue in GitHub... So, I've read it. To be honest, I can live without that ODP plugin but just pity that there is PPTX plugin but not ODP. To propagate also LibreOffice Impress usage, I made that issue in GitHub and even donated to developer to engage him. > Interested > to take over a few of those next bits? Well, can try but certainly any help appreciated. I guess will have more time when schoolyear is over. ---- Edmund -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
