Now that's the most embarrassing thing I have done in a long time. Mi dispiace molto :(
Please pretend I never spoke about this. -----Original Message----- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 19:36 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: [PRIVATE] RE: [tdf-discuss] user forums ? I don't want to take this response to either ooo-dev or tdf-discuss. I think your compromise is an interesting one, but I don't think it is feasible. There are political issues and technical issues. The technical issue is having a different URL that accesses the same pages be served back as if they are all at that URL, but without any other change of content. As soon as an absolute URL is followed within the forums, that is going to be the URL in the response. (Redirection doesn't work for the reasons I just gave. Framing doesn't work for lots of reasons. I tried that until I switched to add-on domains on a LAMP hosting service.) If the served content is to be changed (top banners, page footers, custom content in addition to that) there is far more server load and the problem that the service will be hosted by Apache and any terms of service will be those by the ASF. And ASF would have to operate it and have acceptable-to-it site administrators, forum administrators, etc. There is where the political and governance issues collide - OOo Marketing, TDF concern about being captive, ASF concern about the integrity of sites they operate, and the issues of degrees of distrust among the respective communities. From the TDF side alone, consider the antipathy to questions on Microsoft Office - OpenOffice.org document interchange and the hostility to Lotus Symphony issues being addressed. The anguish over the iCLA and PPMC oversight that the OpenOffice.org Forums team just went through would be nothing compared to what it would take to allow separate governance over a TDF-facing aspect of the Forums. Of course, that anguish was a tempest in a teapot. I notice that no one has been disturbed about it since the cut-over succeeded, mostly because the PPMC has far more critical matters for its attention. I favor how you are looking for compromise solutions, but multiple branding of the same site is perhaps not going to work. It would be useful to discuss this with the current OpenOffice.org Forum operators if you have not already. I am not sure how they would react to this prospect. And they might have some insight that others have not noticed. Cordiali saluti, - Dennis E. Hamilton tools for document interoperability, <http://nfoWorks.org/> dennis.hamil...@acm.org gsm: +1-206-779-9430 @orcmid -----Original Message----- From: Andrea Pescetti [mailto:pesce...@openoffice.org] Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 03:18 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] user forums ? Cor Nouws wrote: > Andrea Pescetti wrote (05-11-11 13:02) >> when it comes to user support the people >> involved are much more pragmatic > That would be my expectation too. And then 'people involved', I would > read as those with questions, answers and with moderation tasks. Yes, that was my understanding. >> But I'd still give a thought if we can't really avoid the massive >> duplication of effort and, through simple DNS tweaking, offer the same >> forum under the two adresses http://user.services.openoffice.org/ and >> http://forum.libreoffice.org/ ... > Sounds as an interesting idea. Then both could redirect to say > forum.opensoftwareofficesuites.org (just to give it a name now) which > should have a look that is more neutral and serving both. You don't need a third "neutral" URL: people accessing through http://forum.libreoffice.org/ would always just see that URL, exactly as it happens now with http://user.services.openoffice.org/ and http://ooo-forums.apache.org/ (which are totally equivalent, and if you use one you don't notice that the other one exists). And branding can be adapted too, and possibly made dependent on the URL. But technology is really easy in this case: the main issue, as I wrote, is political. 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