Thanks Guys, I think the role was also affecting its use, I go for user groups.
Regards On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Lars Helge Øverland <larshe...@gmail.com>wrote: > Good. I would say lets change to groups, not too many are using it still. > > Lars > On Mar 12, 2014 6:44 PM, "Jim Grace" <jimgr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> An option to configure this per validation rule group sounds fine. In the >> interest of not making this too complicated for the user, would it better >> to leave it with roles (optionally restricted within the org unit >> hierarchy), or change the implementation from roles to user groups >> (optionally restricted within the org unit hierarchy). >> >> Of course we could support both roles and user groups, but I'm just >> trying to see if we can keep it simpler for the user. >> >> Cheers, >> Jim >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Lars Helge Øverland <larshe...@gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >>> I think the suggestion from Jim is good. Could it be configurable by >>> validation rule group? So we have a true/false option "send alerts to users >>> within hierarchy only" or similar on the validation rule group. Then >>> messages only goes out to users who have the originating org unit of the >>> alert in their sub-hierarchies. >>> >>> I think in general having user roles and not user groups was a (my) >>> mistake - we could simply change it. >>> >>> regards, >>> >>> Lars >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Prosper BT <ptb3...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes Jim this would suit my use case, but not sure if its global enough >>>> others can comment may be >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Jim Grace <jimgr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Maybe the most useful next step is to leave the user interface the >>>>> same, but filter for the organisation unit assigned to the user when >>>>> sending the messages. So for example a national user would see alerts from >>>>> anywhere in the country, but a district user would see alerts only from >>>>> within their district. (We probably should have done it that way in the >>>>> first place!) Would this help? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Jim >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Prosper BT <ptb3...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Jim for the quick response. >>>>>> >>>>>> As we talk about the two the more I see them complicated. >>>>>> >>>>>> For the user role, my use case is on the Uganda national system where >>>>>> user roles and creating users is guarded like a gold mine. Only two >>>>>> people >>>>>> allowed to create roles and users though the rest of us can create user >>>>>> groups. But for now I will ask them to create a user role with only one >>>>>> role that can do much with the system and try it out. >>>>>> >>>>>> For the second one, my use case is in four districts where community >>>>>> health workers are sending weekly maternal surveillance reports. These >>>>>> are >>>>>> like over 4000 villages in level 5 on the hierarchy. I want districts at >>>>>> level 3 to receive alerts whenever a death is reported >>>>>> >>>>>> So if I implement it the way it is now, I have to create 4 district >>>>>> accounts and assign all them the alert user role. Once a death happen in >>>>>> one district all the districts will receive the alert. >>>>>> >>>>>> May be as you suggest we should add hierarchy selection (level) in >>>>>> creating the rule and if we specify sending to a given level (district, >>>>>> region, national,...) an alert is only sent to only users assigned to >>>>>> that >>>>>> level and only for that hierarchy of that orgunit. >>>>>> >>>>>> Example >>>>>> >>>>>> Uganda/Northern Region/Gulu District/Alur Soubcounty/Gulu >>>>>> Hospital/Village A >>>>>> Uganda/Western Region/Kibaale District/Mutoke Soubcounty/Kagadi >>>>>> Hospital/Village W >>>>>> >>>>>> If death is reported from Village W and the rule was set to send to >>>>>> only users at level 3 only users assigned to Kibaale District with the >>>>>> alert role should receive the alert, but if level 1 is chosen then all >>>>>> users assigned to Uganda would receive the alert. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Jim Grace <jimgr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> You also raise a good point about sending alerts from different >>>>>>> parts of the org unit hierarchy to different groups of users. I'm >>>>>>> trying to >>>>>>> imagine how this could be configured. Perhaps when you configure a >>>>>>> validation rule group you could choose a point in the org unit hierarchy >>>>>>> and assign a user group to be alerted for organisations at or below that >>>>>>> point -- and then you could make similar assignments for other points in >>>>>>> the org unit hierarchy as well. This sounds very useful to me, if a bit >>>>>>> awkward. Can you imagine a simpler mechanism? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you can say a bit more about the use case, that also strengthens >>>>>>> the case for a new feature. In particular, can you tell me what kinds of >>>>>>> position(s) the users have who want to know about maternal or >>>>>>> neonatal deaths in their district? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Jim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Jim Grace <jimgr...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Prosper, thanks for the feedback. The role is only used to identify >>>>>>>> a group of users, so it doesn't matter what authorities the role has. >>>>>>>> You >>>>>>>> could create any number of otherwise dummy roles for this purpose. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But your point is very well taken that user groups are in general >>>>>>>> easier to set up and administer (without needing the authority to >>>>>>>> create >>>>>>>> roles.) That's a very good suggestion for the future. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Jim >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Prosper BT <ptb3...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Team and Jim >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for this validation rule type that helps us send alerts >>>>>>>>> above set thresholds. Am planning to implement it on one of our use >>>>>>>>> case - >>>>>>>>> Maternal and Neonatal Weekly death reports. Basically I want sms sent >>>>>>>>> to a >>>>>>>>> group of users whenever a maternal or neonatal death is reported. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> First of all the two challenges I have are: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Sending to users assigned a given user role as opposed to >>>>>>>>> sending to users in a given group. Its easier to send to a user group >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> opposed to the current design that only allows to send to users >>>>>>>>> assigned a >>>>>>>>> given user role. First of all am not sure what different authorities >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> role should have. Secondary in a situation where I have no rights to >>>>>>>>> create >>>>>>>>> a user role I cant implement this like the case of Uganda national >>>>>>>>> DHIS2. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So I would suggest we either add sending to a user group. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Ability to localize the alerts to the hierarchy; right now we >>>>>>>>> can only send alerts to a central team otherwise it creates a lot of >>>>>>>>> noise >>>>>>>>> if we send to user of lower levels for them to be relevant. A user in >>>>>>>>> districts B may not be interested in alerts from district C would >>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>>> only receive from his only district. But currently if a user in >>>>>>>>> District B >>>>>>>>> is assigned the alert role, he/she will receive alerts from all >>>>>>>>> districts. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Prosper Behumbiize, MPH >>>>>>>>> Phone: +256 414 320076 >>>>>>>>> Cell: +256 772 139037 >>>>>>>>> +256 752 751776 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Prosper Behumbiize, MPH >>>>>> Phone: +256 414 320076 >>>>>> Cell: +256 772 139037 >>>>>> +256 752 751776 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Prosper Behumbiize, MPH >>>> Phone: +256 414 320076 >>>> Cell: +256 772 139037 >>>> +256 752 751776 >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs >>>> Post to : dhis2-devs@lists.launchpad.net >>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-devs >>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>> >>>> >>> >> -- Prosper Behumbiize, MPH Phone: +256 414 320076 Cell: +256 772 139037 +256 752 751776
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