On 9 Aug 2023, at 06:28, Demi Marie Obenour <demioben...@gmail.com> wrote:
and full speculative taint tracking is required. I don’t follow. If you clean all µarch state you don’t have to worry about speculation traces, that’s (among others) the gist of Ge et al. Does it prevent Spectre v1? A bounds check will almost always predict as in-bounds and that is potentially a problem. Taint tracking does prevent Spectre v1 because the speculatively read data is guaranteed to be unobservable. Strict temporal isolation also mitigates this, but IIUC it is also incompatible with load-balancing and therefore only practical in limited cases. Spectre v1 uses speculation to put secrets into the cache, combined with a covert timing channel to move it across security domains. Without the covert channel it’s harmless. Time protection prevents the covert channel. Speculation taint-tracking is a complex point-defence against one specific attack patterns, that needs to take a pessimistic approach to enforcing what the hardware thinks *might* be security boundaries, irrespective what the actual security policy is. Time protection is a general, policy-free mechanism that prevents µarch timing channels under control of the OS, which can deploy it where needed. As I keep saying, the seL4 mechanism that is (unfortunately, somewhat misleadingly and for purely historic reasons) called “IPC” shouldn’t be considered a general-purpose communication mechanism, but a protected procedure call – the microkernel equivalent to a Linux system call. As such, the trust relationship is not symmetric: you use it to invoke some more privileged operation (and definitely need to trust the callee to a degree). I should have said “not-mutually-trusting”, then. Makes a big difference: Enforcement then comes down to enforcing the security policy, which may or may not require temporal isolation. If it does, there’s an (unavoidable) cost. If not then not. fence.t (or something similar) is the mechanism you need to let the OS do it’s job, and it is simple and cheap to implement, and costs you no more than the L1-D flush you need anyway, as Wistoff et al demonstrated. I missed the “costs you no more than the L1-D flush you need anyway” part. On x86, instructions like IBPB can easily take thousands of cycles IIUC. Invalidating the L1-D cache takes 1000s of cycles, and is unavoidable for temporal isolation – D-cache timing attacks are the easiest ones to do. The point is that compared to the inevitable D-cache flush, everything else is cheap, and can be done in parallel to the D-cache flush, so doesn’t affect overall latency. I’m not sure why IBPB should take 1000s of cycles (unless Intel executes complex microcode to do it). Resetting flip-flops is cheap. What makes the D-cache expensive is the need to write back dirty data. Other µarch state can be reset without any write-back as it caches R/O information. There is a separate issue of indirect costs, which can be significant, but not in a time-partitioned system. If the security policy requires isolating a server from it’s client, then these costs would become significant, but that’s inherent in the problem. Would fence.t have equally catastrophic overhead on an out-of-order RISC-V processor? https://riscv-europe.org/media/proceedings/posters/2023-06-08-Nils-WISTOFF-abstract.pdf seems simple to implement in hardware, but does not seem efficient. https://carrv.github.io/2020/papers/CARRV2020_paper_10_Wistoff.pdf claims to be decently efficient, but is for an in-order CPU. It is highly efficient, and completely hidden behind the D-cache flush. Implementation on an OoO processor isn’t published yet, but confirms the results obtained on the IO CV6. Also, in the future, would you mind including the full URL of any articles? I don’t know what “Wistoff et al” and “Ge et al” refer to, and my mail client is configured to only display plain text (not HTML) because the attack surface of HTML rendering is absurdly high. All papers are listed on the time-protection project page. [Ge et al, EuroSys’19]: https://trustworthy.systems/publications/abstracts/Ge_YCH_19.abstract [Wistoff et al, DATE’21]: https://trustworthy.systems/publications/abstracts/Wistoff_SGBH_21.abstract Both won Best-Paper awards, btw Gernot _______________________________________________ Devel mailing list -- devel@sel4.systems To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@sel4.systems
