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On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 3:56:15 PM MSK, Andrew Penkrat
<penkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Slava,
On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 3:20:23 PM MSK, Slava Monich
<slava.mon...@jolla.com> wrote:
Hi,
Access to contacts is actually quite a good example. It may or may not
require access to the network, depending on how it's implemented at Qt
plugin level. Should every app that needs contacts declare that it needs
network access even if the app itself doesn't use the network?
Or it could require access to certain parts of the filesystem that by
default is disallowed. How is application supposed to figure that out in
order to request appropriate privileges?
To make matters worse, the plugin requirements may change over time,
meaning that a system upgrade may break the app because the app didn't
request access to some features required by the updated plugins.
Application shouldn't know/care about how does plugin work. Plugins are
parts of the system and shouldn't be sandboxed.
I don't know much about implementation, but Ubuntu Touch somehow archives
this with AppArmor.
Regards,
Andrew
The only sure way to protect the app against surprises like that is to
request access to pretty much everything. Which is the way it is now.
So way bother?
Having full source code available (in merproject git repo) and making
sure that the app is built from those sources in Mer OBS and signed (by
Jolla?) would be a good start, in my opinion. Still it doesn't guarantee
that the app has no rogue functionality built in, but the community may
help to examine the source code. The more popular the platform is, the
more apps we have, the more security conscious people are willing to
check the sources - that sounds fairly scalable to me.
Cheers,
-Slava
Slava,
Apps would have to declare what they need to function, and then the
sandbox is in place to ensure that they can only use what they declare.
This doesn't solve apps declaring they need full access to everything,
but at least there are some assurances to the user that if they expect
an app wont need access to the contacts list, that its not poking
around in there. Expecting everyone to check the source code (if
available) is not a very user friendly solution, and asking Jolla to
hand verify all apps in the store isn't very scalable either.
On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Slava Monich <slava.mon...@jolla.com
<mailto:slava.mon...@jolla.com>> wrote:
I feel a bit sceptical.
If the system supports plugins, i.e. shared libraries discovered
at runtime and getting loaded into the process context without
executable knowing it in advance (like Qt does), then the
application doesn't even know what kind of resources it actually
needs at runtime to function properly.
The next thing you do after you introduce sandboxing, you start
adding ways to get around sandbox limitations, which in the end
defies the whole purpose. Or you severely limit the usefulness of
3rd party apps. Sounds like a lose-lose situation.
Any 3rd party app is a risk, especially the native ones,
especially those that come unsigned and without the source code.
If you don't want to take the risk, you don't install 3rd party
apps. That works better than any kind of sandboxing.
Cheers,
-Slava
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