HI Eli, Well, I agree. Yes I am well aware what I am proposing. I am with the party with N950 and I bought that tablet with the idea of generating revenue. >From the links in the meeting minutes I read (please correct if I am wrong) jolla went out of the tablet adventure generating a lost because Software development cost for the version we enjoy now has not been covered by income of the tablets. Even worse a major investor dropped out of Jolla funding.
I am Still wait on my tablet. It delays now from March I think. I am not in for refund. I'd the money is lost, it will be this way. I like my Jolla Phone a lot. And I like the mer base. I am not proposeing to move away from this structure. I am only proposing not to open the source of the Frontend (only part that is currently closed) I propose to generate Revenue. With revenue sailfish states in the market. Hopefully until the tablets are out of the door. Maybe even to gather resources to continue the adventure on new tech. My interest is also not to have a Samsung Sailfish phone. I rather spend my money on a Jolla phone. So the current business Modell does not earn from my participation. Because it tries to battle in markets were Mozilla and Ubuntu is quite active. With rumors that Blackberry moves to Android, market will get more dominated by android. And this OS is fully available as Open Source under the Apache license. Something we are not. See. Market does not care about the community effort. If this community thing wants to have a chance we have to find a way that Jolla can finance the core of the Sailfish platform. How do you want to achieve that? I would like to have a platform I do trust in. That is consumer community driven. Android is Producer community driven. I think we should work in this direction and get funds together to go there. I have some experience from Star Citizen. And one thing I learned there is that most people do not understand. That is why I propose subscription models and market platform shops. I am personally open for other approaches. Of course! It is not my call. It is Jolla's shot. And currently they hope to get someone else to break the market. I am not convinced this business modell working well. How many SailfishOS subscriptions there are? And how reliable are they? How reliable is the Jolla Community? What options are you willing to take in order to stay in the adventure? All the best Peter E.S. Rosenberg <es.rosenberg+sailfishos....@gmail.com> schrieb am Fr., 27. Nov. 2015 08:47: > 2015-11-27 9:28 GMT+02:00 Peter Kovacs <legi...@gmail.com>: > >> Hello, >> >> I am not able to join on next community meeting due to work restrictions >> I have. So I can not propose a topic. I am instead post my thoughts >> directly to this list. >> I think no 1 topic is to stabilise Dev efforts for SailfishOS. >> I do not believe to simply put sailfish in multiple places will ensure >> its existance. This would only be the case if SailfishOS would open source >> it's Software. This would be the death of Jolla in my eyes at this point. >> >> I see rather a better strategy in a business model change. Instead of >> trying to sell the OS to big companies sell the OS to your community. >> I think the crowed funding method was quite successful. So I propose >> another Crowed funding camagne. This has now to be a success. So I propose >> something small. Like getting payment function into Jolla. >> Perks could be to get better conditions after the Shop is live. Maybe 10% >> - 50% off. >> > So for your support now Jolla would either have to take 0 margin on every > purchase you make in the store or the application developer would have to > take a hit. > >> I do not know how much money you need to make add payment >> functionallities and survive the next month) >> >> Another step could be to have a System suscription. This system >> subscription is made to ensure updates. It should not be much like 5-10 >> euros a month. Free of choice if possible, enforce if neccessary. I have no >> feeling how close Jolla is to the death. >> I do like the Crowed funding mythology of star citizen. Most of them can >> not be reused. But in art of communication they are top. Maybe open up your >> communication on development, would be great. >> > I know I (and probably a lot of others) would turn my back on Jolla the > moment they adopted the evil model you describe above, the core of > jolla/sailfish OS is open source and to start demanding money for updates > is wrong. > Personally I have been on this adventure since the days of the n900 and > one of the things that were/are very important to me is the fact that I > know that even if the company fails/pulls the plug there is a active > community that will continue to release bugfixes/improvements. > (BTW 5-10 EUR/month means you paid for another phone in 2 years, when I > buy a phone I estimate [price]/[expected use time] you just doubled the > cost.) > >> I would also like to see more jolla stuff in the shop. I still want to >> buy the external keyboard or the solar panel for jolla. Bit i still can not >> find those in the Jolla shop. This is also an income Jolla must participate >> in. Sell those stuff even from third party developers in your shop. >> I refuse to buy from the third party directly because I know how much >> jolla needs the money. >> > The whole point of open sourcing the spec was that Jolla wanted others to > create stuff for their phone, expand it etc. it is most likely more > expensive for jolla to start selling products made/designed by 3rd parties > because it means that they need to actually stock up on the product, sell a > certain amount to brake even, take the risk of not selling that amount, > take the risk of needing to replace faulty hardware at their cost and again > ending up losing money, do I need to continue? > Or alternatively they'd need to make the serious investment of developing > the product themselves which again has all the above points plus serious > R&D and QA costs. > The guys at funkyOH do great work and deserve the support just as much. > >> Get the old hardware section of jolla to develop some more second half >> stuff. Like battery banks or 2nd phonecard connector. Maybe a mobility hub >> for pcs. I do not know. >> >> Sorry that this has nothing to do with development of source code. But I >> think this is not really time for dreaming of open Source. >> >> I know that you might not like this steps, but I think there is no chance >> in rearranging debts will lead you from the death valley you are in. >> That is only one way to get bankrupted fast. >> You must generate money quickly. That is the only way somebody will >> continue to invest into Jolla. And a credit is also an investment of sort. >> >> This is an unpleasant message of sort. But jolla should focus on those >> people has already convinced. Apple did that in their beginning. I know >> some and they agree first iPhone were not very good. I think the sailfish >> has potential but currently this potential is limited to the community you >> have. And this are the ones here who prepare their products for sailfish, >> and the ones who already spend money on the product. >> >> Please take a break from convincing people that can play Jolla against >> android, blackberry and iOS. You can return to that dream if you got out of >> the valley. >> >> I have time from 14th Dec till end of the year. I will participate then >> in the meetings and bug you to various topics around Jolla. I hope this >> helps. >> > So am I to understand that in the last Community meeting it was said that > Jolla is in a bad financial shape? > Seems to me like they just got a fairly large financial injection from the > tablet and at the same time decided that they can get by without developing > hw themselves rather just selling licenses/support to others and already > have contracts with several companies... > > Regards, > Eli > >> All the Best >> Peter >> >> Carol Chen <cybette+sailfis...@gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 26. Nov. 2015 >> 17:17: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Thanks to everyone who attended today's meeting! Minutes/logs: >>> >>> Minutes:http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2015/mer-meeting.2015-11-26-14.30.html >>> Minutes >>> (text):http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2015/mer-meeting.2015-11-26-14.30.txt >>> Log:http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2015/mer-meeting.2015-11-26-14.30.log.html >>> >>> Next meeting will be on 2015-12-03 @ 14:30 UTC. Meeting Chair will be >>> Carsten Munk (Stskeeps). Please propose discussion topics at: >>> https://together.jolla.com/question/54157/sailfishos-open-source-collaboration-meeting-planning/ >>> >>> If you propose a topic, it is expected that you show up and present it, >>> or have a substitute participate in the meeting. It is important that >>> you're present at the meeting to guide the discussions in the direction >>> you want, so we do not spend time guessing what kind of info/answers you >>> may be looking for. >>> >>> NOTE: Propose your topic by Tuesday 1.12. Any topics added after that >>> will be considered for the following meeting. Carsten will send out >>> meeting invite with confirmed agenda before the meeting. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Carol >>> >>> -- >>> Carol Chen >>> cybette @ Freenode IRC >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list >>> To unsubscribe, please send a mail to >>> devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list >> To unsubscribe, please send a mail to >> devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org >> > _______________________________________________ > SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list > To unsubscribe, please send a mail to > devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
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