Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > On Sat, Apr 26, 2025 at 09:42:36AM +0200, Roman Bogorodskiy wrote: > > Implement NAT networking support based on the Packet Filter (pf) > > firewall in FreeBSD. At this point, the implementation is very basic. > > It creates: > > > > - Essential NAT translation rules > > - Basic forwarding rules > > > > Implementation uses pf's anchor feature to group rules. All rules live > > in the "libvirt" anchor and every libvirt's network has its own > > sub-anchor. > > > > Currently there are some assumptions and limitations: > > > > - We assume that a user has created the "libvirt" (nat-)anchors. As > > they cannot be created on fly, it's better not to touch global pf > > configuration and let the user do the changes. If the user doesn't > > have these anchors configured, the rules will still be created in > > sub-anchors, but will not be effective until these anchors are > > activated. Should we check if these anchors are not active to > > give some runtime warning? > > So IIUC a PF 'anchor' is essentially a top level namespace > under which all libvirt rules will live, so they are isolated > from other system rules ?
Yes, that's correct. > This sounds similar to how we deal with the new 'nft' firewall > on Linux, where we have to create top level tables to hold > all our rules > > That has thrown up a tricky problem for us though around the > prioritization. A packet has to be accepted by *every* top > level table, for it to be allowed. So even if a libvirt rule > allows it, potentiallly other system rules can still block > it. This is basically unsolvable in the general case. We do > a special hack in the firewalld case to tell it to put the > bridge device into a separate libvirt "zone", which in > turn means none of the other firewalld rules will ever get > applied to those packets. It depends. In PF, rules could be created with the "quick" keyword. Quoting the manual page: Matching filter and translation rules marked with the quick option are final and abort the evaluation of the rules in other anchors and the main ruleset. If the anchor itself is marked with the quick option, ruleset evaluation will terminate when the anchor is exited if the packet is matched by any rule within the anchor. I'm using this keyword for some of the pass rules to avoid these packets occasionally blocked. > Back to PF though. You're saying we can't create anchors on > the fly - so that's saying the only way to create the anchors > is to edit the /etc/ config file, and those get applied on > system boot ? Yes, that's true. Well, in theory, we can edit the /etc/pf.conf, try to find an appropriate place for anchors definitions, and reload the rules. I saw some management software does that, but that seems to be too invasive for me, at least for now. > We should probably document this in docs/drvnetwork.rst... > which I see does not actually exist :-( Probably good to > start a skeleton of a page and put the FreeBSD specific > notes there, and we can fll out Linux notes later > > > - Currently, rule reloading is not smart: it always deletes rules, > > flushes rules and re-creates that. It would be better to do that > > more gracefully. > > That's not especially worse than what we do on Linux either > > > - IPv6 configurations are currently not supported > > Probably worth reporting a fatal error if you see IPv6 > config in the XML input, so attempts to use IPV6 are > not silently ignored. > > > - For NAT, pf requires explicit IP address or an interface to NAT to. > > We try to obtain that from the network XML definition, and if it's > > not specified, we try to determine interface corresponding to the > > default route. > > On Linux the defaults should work based on routing, so that's not > too bad as a default behaviour. The difference is that FreeBSD > would only work based on the single route, while the Linux behaviour > could use all available routes. Not the end of the world, since > most machines only have a single default route. The common exception > being people using VPN clients. Thanks for feedback, will address the comments in the follow up series. Roman