On Thu, Dec 10, 2015, at 06:08 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

> Well, to be clear, I still think it's good to sign packages... 

Yes, but just signing packages but allowing attacker-controlled
metadata has various issues detailed in the papers linked
from http://theupdateframework.com/
(Mostly forcing the client to install a signed but old/vulnerable
 package, particularly bad for network server packages)

> Sure, but it's also a chicken and egg problem. 
> 
> If you start from just having windows or something you don't have our
> gpg keys either and have to either trust the https page to download
> them or some gpg keyserver. 

We were just talking about the rpm-md (yum) repos, right?
I wouldn't really expect a Windows user to validate those,
this is just something mostly where we set up our
tools post-OS install to validate.

So rpm-md repo signatures are desirable.  (And same for
the ostree repo side)
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