On 23 January 2014 11:48, Josh Boyer <jwbo...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Tom Hughes <t...@compton.nu> wrote: > > > Personally I think a lot of it has to do with the way the whole thing > seemed > > to be a fait accompli such that there seemed to be little point doing > > anything other than sitting back and seeing what happened. > > > > You know, the way one minute it was just a suggestion from one member of > the > > community and the next minute it was all decided and people were busy > > forming working groups to sort out the details. Apparently that > miraculous > > transition happened at Flock, but for anybody that wasn't there it was > as if > > it was a god given edict that had been handed down on tablets of stone > that > > Fedora.next was happening and we should all just be good little children > and > > get on with it. > > There _was_ a lot that was discussed and presented at Flock. It's > kind of the purpose of Flock (and FUDCon before that). Get people > together to have big discussions in a high bandwith fashion. And yes, > that can mean that those not in attendance are left to catch up a bit > (though at least with Flock we tried to stream all the sessions to > help with that). > > However, it wasn't decided at Flock. It was presented after Flock to > FESCo, in the normal, online FESCo meetings. It went further from > there to the Board via the usual channels. All of this was done as > any other proposal would normally be handled. Perhaps the only > unusual thing was the relative lack of debate and delay. > > My view of the matter was pretty much the same as Tom's and I was at FLOCK. The language at the sessions I attended was not one of "We would like to do this" but that it was a done thing. I realize a lot of that is the 'get shit done because we are all together' mentality which comes from conferences but by the time I left FLOCK I was pretty sure this was all done and either get in the boat or get out. I wasn't even aware of the FESCO items until this email as I figured it had been done and decided at FLOCK. Fedora.NEXT became irrelevant to me when I realized the committees were mostly hand-chosen versus elected like FESCO. I realize that was to get stuff done versus having a bunch of bureaucratci elections, but it snuffed whatever 'joy' I was going to have to participate in as a 'non-voting' member of a committee. The best way for me to allow the people to get work they wanted to get done was to get out of the way, and so I have. Now that I am asked why I am not enthused, I am explaining. -- Stephen J Smoogen.
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