Err aren't these *fedora* lists. We show the grub menu. *plonk* Clive
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Reindl Harald <h.rei...@thelounge.net>wrote: > > > Am 22.09.2013 18:00, schrieb drago01: > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Reindl Harald <h.rei...@thelounge.net> > wrote: > >> Am 22.09.2013 17:36, schrieb drago01: > >>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 3:21 AM, Reindl Harald <h.rei...@thelounge.net> > wrote: > >>>> Am 22.09.2013 02:52, schrieb Ed Greshko: > >>>>> On 09/22/13 08:39, Timothy Murphy wrote: > >>>>>> Ed Greshko wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I've been having a problem on my Thinkpad T61 for the last 2 days. > >>>>>>>> In fact since "yum update" installed > kernel-PAE-3.11.1-200.fc19.i686, > >>>>>>>> though that is probably a coincidence. > >>>>>>> Would it be possible to boot into the previous kernel to verify if > it is a > >>>>>>> coincidence? > >>>>>> I'm afraid I'm not sure how to do that. > >>>>>> I'd be happy to try if someone could suggest the way. > >>>>> > >>>>> When you boot your system, don't you have a menu to select up to 3 > kernels? > >>>> > >>>> and that is why i cried on @devel about the idea to hide the GRUB > menu as default > >>> > >>> Err you know that we do *not* hide the grub menu in F19? > >> > >> no - because i do not care about Fedora defaults in many cases for my > machines > > > > You seem to care enough to write mails about it. > > yes, becuase i am not that asshole some think and care about others > i wish the future users have the same chance to learn things as i had > in the past > > >>> If anything you have just proven that just because the menu is shown > >>> people will not automatically know what the options there mean. > >> > >> no - it is proven that even if it is there it's hard to understand > >> hide it does not make this better > > > > Showing an option that people do not understand does not solve anything. > > then *explain* the menu instead hide it > > >>> So can you stop "crying about the idea to hide the GRUB menu as(by) > >>> default" now? > >> > >> no, simply because if it is hard to move the cursor down in a > >> already displayed menu for some users you can be sure that they > >> never have a chance to learn about the existing older kernel > >> by hide it > > > > You should not have to learn what a kernel is to be able to use your > computer > > this makes no sense > > why do you have to learn it? > because there is a menu giving you options? > > does this menu *force* someobody to learn? > how would it be able to demand anything from a user? > > > I am pretty sure you disagree here but we should just agree to > > disagree instead of having a useless "discussion". > > if Fedora Core would have had the same attitude than today i would > never have switched to Linux completly - this boot option where > people say nobody needs to see it saved my first machine and a lot > of time for me because it did not boot after a kernel update and > so i took the only working thing: a menu at begin > > i agree in a perfect world you would not need it > but this perfect world doe snot exist > > but you are not in the position than *anybody* else to guarantee > that a kernel update will never have regresions, not now and not > in the future > > >> if the affected machine is their only one they also have > >> no chance to ask for help and are lost > >> > >> P.S.: > >> do not give thunderbird a negative karma because some extension > >> is not updated / rebuilt, file a bugreport for the extension! > > > > OT but no. If an update introduces broken deps it should not be pushed > > until they are resolved. > > Giving negative karma here is common practice > > not common, bad practice at least in that case > > > -- > devel mailing list > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct > -- Clive -- 077222971491
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