On 07/17/2013 05:16 PM, Steve Clark wrote:
> On 07/17/2013 11:05 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:00:05PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>> Am 17.07.2013 11:21, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
>>>> On 07/17/2013 12:58 AM, Ding Yi Chen wrote:
>>>>> You still have not addressed the third party programs and scripts
>>>>> that monitor /var/log/messages
>>>> We honestly cant keep progress and cleanup in the distribution back out of 
>>>> fear of breaking some third party programs
>>> you could if you want
>>>
>>> * only journald is running -> write to "/var/log/messages" and 
>>> "/var/log/secure" additionally to the journal
>>>   a option in "/etc/systemd/journald.conf" to disable this
>>>
>>> * if a syslog-daemon is running leave "/var/log/messages" and 
>>> "/var/log/secure"
>>>   untouched from journald
>>>
>>> so *if* you want you can keep progress without a large impact all the time
>>
>> Except ... that would still keep duplicated logs on the FS. Removing
>> the duplication is the primary reason for wanting to not install
>> rsyslogd by default.

> This seems like such a specious argument.

Note that the argument comes from the same group of people
who pushed for mounting tmpfs on /run and /tmp.

My machine:

# df -h
Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
tmpfs           3.9G  4.5M  3.9G   1% /run
tmpfs           3.9G  4.9M  3.9G   1% /tmp

10 megs of *RAM* consumed.

My /var/log/messages is 12 megabytes at the moment.

These same people feel offended by "wasted" 12 megs of *disk space*?
Please...
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