On Mar 11, 2013, at 2:20 PM, seth vidal <skvi...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:07:32 +0100
> Lennart Poettering <mzerq...@0pointer.de> wrote:
>> 
>> Entering the boot loader is something that is a debugging feature, a
>> tool for professionals. 
> 
> I'm mostly concerned with making new professionals.
> 
> We have to make the secret information discoverable if we want people
> to poke and prod around.

Right, because had booting simply worked, instead of a** r8H#@Ig me every 10 
minutes, I'd never have become curious about it. 


> 
> If the bioses and systems years ago had been opaque we wouldn't have
> gotten this far.


Please elaborate on this, and define "this far". Apple has had fairly opaque 
booting for ~28 years, so I'm curious how much farther they need to go.

Chris Murphy
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