On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Lennart Poettering <mzerq...@0pointer.de>wrote:
> On Tue, 12.02.13 12:38, Jon Ciesla (limburg...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Lennart Poettering > > <mzerq...@0pointer.de>wrote: > > > > > Heya, > > > > > > since a while now logind has replaced CK in Fedora. I'd like to retire > > > it entirely from the distribution now. > > > > > > Most deps on CK are gone. Holdouts are "cdm", "lightdm", "lxsession", > > > "lxdm". > > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life > > > > > > This page doesn't say anything about retiring packages other still > > > depend on... > > > > > > I am tempted to just retire CK ignoring the remaining dependencies, in > > > the hope this will put the pressure on the folks involved to update > > > their stuff... > > > > > > Getting rid of CK in those packages is dead simple BTW. Just disable it > > > in the packages, but make sure pam_systemd is in the PAM stack for your > > > greeter tool. It's basically about removing code, not about adding > > > new code -- adding new code is only necessary if you want to improve > > > your DM to handle multi-seat setups, too (which is a new feature of > > > logind, not available in CK[1]). For details, see: > > > > > > > http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/writing-display-managers > > > > > > I'd also like to retire "esound" finally. Currently, adplay, ayttm, > > > dopewars, e16, gnome-libs, gnubg, lxdream, moon-buggy, spacechart, > > > xarchon, xmms-esd still use it. esd of course has been deprecated and > > > dead since many years, the packages which still use it really should > > > wake up one day. So here, too, I'd just like to retire the package... > > > > > > Alternatively, somebody else can take these over, but honstely I'd > > > rather see them removed than continue to bitrot in our repository... > > > > So to clarify, you're not actually retiring anything currently, just > > expressing to the community that you'd like to and that we should work > > toward making that possible? > > Well, I am just checking before I do something whether I can actually do > it. That's all. By next week or so I will either have retired the > packages (which I'd prefer) or somebody else took them over (which I'd > prefer not to do, but which we can do too, if the retro-computing folks > step up...) > > I'd prefer that you orphan them, and mail the list, ccing <foo>-owner for each dependency, that you're doing so. That said, I maintain gnugb, and was able to easily remove the esound requirement. If no one else wants to maintain esound, I will, even if only long enough to excise it from the packages that need it. > > If so, do you have any guidelines on getting rid of esound requirements? > > Dunno really. My suspicion is that the packages in question are either > obsolete on their own, or should just be compiled with --disable-esd or > so. These packages all look pretty much esoteric or obsolete to me, so I > am not really that curious what precisely packagers would need to do... > Obsolete is in the eye of the beholder. I don't think games ever truly are. ;) -J > > Lennart > > -- > Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. > -- > devel mailing list > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- http://cecinestpasunefromage.wordpress.com/ ------------------------------------------------ in your fear, seek only peace in your fear, seek only love -d. bowie
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