On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Aleksandar Kurtakov <akurt...@redhat.com>wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dan Mashal" <dan.mas...@gmail.com> > > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" < > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:13:34 PM > > Subject: Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, January 28, 2013, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > = Features/Cinnamon as Default Desktop = > > > > > > > I submit the proposition that it is easier for a user doing a new > > > Fedora > > > install to start with a traditional desktop, and switch to the > > > Gnome > > > Shell if > > > they prefer that, than to start with Gnome Shell and switch to a > > > traditional > > > desktop. > > > > > > The Cinnamon desktop provides a traditional desktop while being > > > based > > > on the > > > latest Gnome and GTK components, so it seems like a better > > > candidate > > > for a > > > default desktop than MATE, which is based on older components. > > > > Some facts: > > > > - Cinnamon started out as 'using GNOME components', but it is not a > > full fork of mutter, gnome-shell and nautilus, at least, and > > bug-fixes are not going either way... > > > > - GNOME 3.8 will replace the dismal fallback mode with a new > > 'classic' mode that is actually based on the latest GNOME > > components, and will be a more 'traditional desktop', whatever that > > means. > > -- > > devel mailing list > > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > > > > > > Let's see how lightweight, bug free and usable it is. Why don't you > > just merge the 3 projects instead of wasting your time? We could all > > work together. > > > > > > There could be different "flavors" of Gnome. Now I know that we are > > both biased here, however what it really feels like here is REDHAT > > employees want Gnome 3 and they are giving a bunch of bullshit > > excuses on why it should be, referencing various stupid apple to > > orange comparisons from 10 years ago. Why don't we take a poll where > > no Red Hat employees can vote. > > Since when my work(hence vote) in Fedora is unwanted because I'm Red Hat > employee? > I don't give a sh*t about what the default is but one should tell you - > SHUT UP!!! And yes this is exactly what you were trying to tell me. > So please send your next message once you learned to deal with technical > questions in a technical way or if you can't never would be better!!! > > That's not helpful. -J > Alexander Kurtakov > Red Hat Eclipse team > > > > Only non Red Hat Fedora employees and > > the board itself can make a final decision after considering what > > FESCO has to say about it. Face it. Fedora 15 Gnome 3 cause a major > > uproar. Anaconda on RHEL6 is easier to use than Anaconda 18. Almost > > 3 years later and "oh yeah we realized we should probably add a real > > "fallback" mode to Gnome 3. Meanwhile the main people writing code > > are not the community. Meanwhile MATE is lighter weight than Gnome > > 2.3, has numerous bug fixes, will have full support for > > systems/logind.. Something even Gnome 3 still has trouble with. > > > > > > Is it really that scary for you guys to think about something else > > besides Gnome 3 and KDE? > > > > > > Not enough support? Then step up and quit whining. You know how to > > help, Red Hat employees. Don't be selfish. This is Fedora not RHEL. > > This is a community based distribution not Red Hats playground. > > Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. > > > > > > Everyone loves to dance around the fact about what Fedora is or > > isn't. > > > > > > This isn't one persons decision and its not 2003. > > > > > > Get with the times. Your projects failed. Sure a lot of people like > > it. Then again a lot of people don't. And we wonder why there are > > less people using Fedora. > > > > > > And then we wonder why MATE and Cinnamon got the most press coverage > > in Fedora 18 and why there has been a huge user spike in the last 30 > > days. It hasn't been because of systemd, Gnome 3.6, and Anaconda 18. > > You are on serious drugs if you believe that. > > > > > > Dan > > -- > > devel mailing list > > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > -- > devel mailing list > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- http://cecinestpasunefromage.wordpress.com/ ------------------------------------------------ in your fear, seek only peace in your fear, seek only love -d. bowie
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