On Sunday, January 27, 2013, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > I love GNOME 3 and detest KDE 4. I've tried MATE and Cinnamon on both > Linux Mint and Fedora and don't really see the point of either of them > as long as GNOME 3 offers fallback mode. > > When you come right down to it, nearly all Linux desktops can be > easily customized to provide a Windows-like workflow (menu at lower > left, panel at bottom) or a Mac-like workflow (menu at upper left, > panel at top). All the major Linux desktops can do this. I've even > done this with OpenBox and fbpanel. > > Personally I think the "Default Linux desktop" ought to *be* OpenBox > and fbpanel - it would get the media sizes and RAM use back down to > something sane. ;-) I spend most of my time in either the browser, a > terminal or a GUI application like RStudio, LibreOffice or GIMP. > That's all a Linux desktop needs, really - a browser, a terminal app > and a menu/panel/taskbar/tray/clock/wifi/sound/weather app gizmo. > > You *do* need a good terminal app - I'd pick gnome-terminal over > konsole or lxterminal or the XFCE terminal if I had a choice but I > could live with any of them. Xterm is even acceptable if you have a > 3-button mouse. ;-) But other than that, an awful lot of the > "innovation" in Linux desktops seems to me to be wasted effort. > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Jaroslav Reznik <jrez...@redhat.com> > wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > >> > >> I don't think Cinnamon as default desktop. Fedora always was of GNOME > >> by default Desktop. However, I have to choose, I would choose KDE as > >> default desktop. > > > > From the times Kevin proposed Plasma as default desktop - and the rest > > of KDE SIG did not support it - it's mainly about resources. And not > > only packaging ones, also development (to make sure desktop works on > > top of our base system layer - and you know, Fedora is often first) > > but documentation (yeah, someone has to write documentation), artwork > > and all other teams I forgot to mention (sorry ;-). > > > > Btw. Board is trying to find the way how to avoid that strict > > "something is default" - do you know based on this definition Compiz > > should be part of our default offering [1]? > > > > And the last thing - GNOME is coming with so called "classic" UI - > > see GNOME 3.8 feature page (I announced a few minutes ago) [2]. > > > > "Fallback mode is going away in 3.8. Instead, there will be a set of > > supported extensions that is grouped together in a 'classic' mode, > > which provides a more GNOME 2-like user experience" > > > > Same tries Cinnamon but as a fork. Make your own conclusion ;-) > > > > Jaroslav > > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Default_offering > > [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gnome3.8 > > > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Jaroslav Reznik < jrez...@redhat.com > >> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> = Features/Cinnamon as Default Desktop = > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Cinnamon_as_Default_Desktop > >> > >> Feature owner(s): Eric Smith < e...@brouhaha.com > > >> > >> This feature proposes that Fedora switch the default desktop > >> interface from > >> Gnome 3 to Cinnamon. Cinnamon provides a desktop interface that is > >> more > >> familiar to Windows and Gnome 2 users than the standard Gnome Shell > >> interface, > >> while being built from Gnome 3 components. > >> > >> == Detailed description == > >> The Gnome 3 interface is substantially different that the traditional > >> desktop > >> interfaces on both Linux and Windows. While it is good that there is > >> research > >> into new user interface concepts, many users prefer to have a > >> traditional > >> interface that they are accustomed to. Unfortunately it is difficult > >> or > >> impossible to assess what fraction of the user base prefers Gnome > >> Shell vs. a > >> more traditional interface. I'm not trying to start (or continue) a > >> flame war > >> here, so I won't state any of my own criticisms of Gnome Shell here, > >> but I > >> will observe that a number of very high profile people in the Linux > >> community, > >> such as Linus Torvalds and Alan Cox, have publicly announce that due > >> to > >> problems with Gnome Shell they are switching to a different desktop > >> and/or > >> Linux distribution. > >> > >> I submit the proposition that it is easier for a user doing a new > >> Fedora > >> install to start with a traditional desktop, and switch to the Gnome > >> Shell if > >> they prefer that, than to start with Gnome Shell and switch to a > >> traditional > >> desktop. > >> > >> The Cinnamon desktop provides a traditional desktop while being based > >> on the > >> latest Gnome and GTK components, so it seems like a better candidate > >> for a > >> default desktop than MATE, which is based on older components. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> devel-announce mailing list > >> devel-announce@lists.-- > Twitter: http://twitter.com/znmeb; Computational Journalism Publishers > Workbench: > http://znmeb.github.com/Computational-Journalism-Publishers-Workbench/ > > How the Hell can the lion sleep with all those people singing "A weem > oh way!" at the top of their lungs? > -- > devel mailing list > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org <javascript:;> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
You don't see the point of MATE or Cinnamon? How long did you play with them 5 minutes? Dan
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