I appreciate all the constructive suggestions, particularly those that acknowledge the, uh , inconsistencies in the documentation.
I'll keep plugging away. I dropped into the infra office hours and got someone to offer to review my PR. There are a few python packages I will eventually maintain also. Regarding the docs, yes the older ones are more useful. IMHO, it would be better for the new docs to paint a more realistic picture of the process so that newbies don't feel like there is something wrong with them for not figuring it out. I'm busy trying to find a job right now, so I don't expect that I'll be able to do much wordsmithing until I have a source of income. Cheers, Blaise On Sun, Nov 21, 2021, 1:34 PM Stephen Snow <s40...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, 2021-11-21 at 15:08 +0000, Tom Hughes wrote: > > > > > That's why I gave a link to the old version from the wiki history > > before it was replaced by a pointer to the new page. > > > It did help for some info. Thank you. > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=How_to_get_sponsored_into_the_packager_group&oldid=619444 > > > > > > > > Basically you need to find somebody to sponsor you as a > > > > packager - normally that happens as part of having your first > > > > package review but obviously that doesn't work when you want > > > > to take over an existing package. > > > > > > So you see what I was talking about so many (years?!?!) ago, then > > > recently too on this list. It is a common thing it seems that once > > > a > > > person steps up to ask for sponsorship something seems to happen. I > > > am > > > struck by the first line of your response "You say you have "asked > > > to > > > become a packager" but what exactly do you mean by that?" Well, > > > quite > > > simply what I stated, but yet I am being questioned about my > > > sincereity > > > and credibility immediately. > > > > I wasn't questioning your credibility, I was just confused because > > there's no formal place to lodge such a request as far as I know > > other > > than a review ticket blocking FE-SPONSOR which doesn't apply here. > > > > I was worried that you had filed some sort of request somewhere > > that nobody was looking. > > > > So maybe we have inadvertently found a crack in the process for > onboarding package maintainers. > > > > So back to what I was trying to say in my conversation here about > > > some > > > tool for assessing the prospective newbies like me who want to help > > > but > > > need a sponsor, I was thinking of an app that tests your knowledge > > > and > > > the discussion went towards a generic test package to show > > > packaging > > > knowledge with, then make sponsoring come easier for sponsors. > > > Because > > > this seems to be really the crux of the matter, trust or lack of > > > it. > > > > I'm not aware of any previous discussions. I was just answering > > the questions you asked in your post today. > > > > Tom > > > Again, thank you for taking the time to respond. FWIW I recognize your > name from RH and Fedora for some time, ie years, not trying to make > anyone feel old but it is what it is. The previous discussion was > around onbarding new package maintainers, and the impetus is directly > related to the published orphaned packages, and trying to make them not > be orphaned if needed still. There is a disconnect between the position > taken in the documents around becoming a packager that seems to imply > it is as easy as doing steps #1, #2, then #3, which it isn't. > Also worth noting is that there is a "dummy onboarding package" that > was started by someone on this list as a result of the conversation but > I haven't found any continuation of the idea. > > Regards. > Stephen > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure >
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