> Am 29.09.2021 um 13:57 schrieb Fabio Valentini <decatho...@gmail.com>:
> 
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 1:49 PM Miro Hrončok <mhron...@redhat.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On 26. 09. 21 21:20, Fabio Valentini wrote:
>>> Should the @java-maint-sig group be removed from any packages it is
>>> still associated with? Should it be dissolved, and members be removed?
>> ...
>> 
> 
> Thanks for getting back to my original question :)
> The points you outlined seem like a good plan.

I would like to get back to the other part or your question:

> I'd rather have the group start from zero now, and start *adding*
> packages again that are actually really needed, wanted, and
> maintained.


How can we not only remove something not working, but also buildup something 
(hopefully) working?

A few items to build upon emerge from this thread:

- There are people who want to contribute but don’t find a starting point
- Technically, there is a stable support for core packages providing a solid 
base to build upon
- In terms of communication/information, there is uncertainty and 
missinformation
- (Re-)structure the huge Fedora Java body into manageable areas (core, lib, 
apps)
- Various ideas to streamline and simplify the building process
- Guidelines (and maybe new tools or procedures) to install third party 
binaries (e.g. curated list of maven packages, Ansible Wildfly developed by 
Server WG)
- Specifying a reliable core, and an application layer will build up


By far the most important and urgent task is likely to be documentation / 
communication / transparency and to eliminate the misinformation, uncertainties 
and irritations that have arisen. That would probably be a prerequisite for 
everything else and followed by documentation and information for new 
maintainers / application packages. 

It would be really nice to have not only a ripping title and mourn the 
situation, but also a ripped action and energetic doing. 



Any ideas to get it started to fly?






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