On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 at 08:16, Stephen John Smoogen <smo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 at 04:29, Daniel P. Berrangé <berra...@redhat.com> > wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 05:34:02PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: >> > Hey all, >> > >> > Earlier this week, I was helping with processing features for openSUSE >> > Leap 15.4[1] and I discovered that they're planning on introducing >> > x86_64-v2 to openSUSE soon. The reference for this change was that >> > RHEL 9 is going to use x86_64-v2[2]. Additionally, other distributions >> > have been considering bumping up to v2 or v3[3][4]. >> > >> > Some cursory examination of the new x86_64 sublevels seem to indicate >> > that x86_64-v2 goes back to roughly 2007~2008, merely cutting off the >> > first couple of generations of x86_64 CPUs from Intel and AMD. I >> > personally don't have any computers that don't have support for >> > x86_64-v2 anymore. >> >> Yes, you loose primarily Intel Conroe and Penryn generations and >> AMD Opteron Gen 1 -> Gen 3. I doubt this is a significant portion >> of Fedora installs. >> >> Slight tangent but I find Fedora's approach to hardware somewhat >> at odds with our approach to software. >> >> On the one hand we portray our project as a place for cutting >> edge Linux software & innovation. >> >> On the other hand we hold back our software by trying to keep >> supporting long obsolete hardware. >> >> > I think it comes down to what various people who maintain or help maintain > large amounts of hardware have available to use or feel comfortable using. > People in academia usually have tight capex budgets and when they get a > system they like, they are probably going to be using it for decades. > [Queue several universities in the last 10 years I have seen where people > have computers older than they are on their desks as their work computer.] > Other people have other concerns and find newer systems not able to meet > them (screen may be wrong, keyboard feels wrong, their lab is still running > N year old hardware etc.) [Looking at the many internal mailing lists where > people would prefer not to have their hardware updated every 3 years but > still pine for that 10 year old computer they started with and none of the > others have been as good as.] > > Finally, most of the changes in the architecture code don't really make > things 'faster' in ways that 'matter'. Using AVX2 versus SSE2 versus SSE > does not make compilations faster > > sorry my editing skills are poor this morning. I meant that things like compilations, tools and graphics don't really increase for the things that maintainers care about. -- Stephen J Smoogen. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Flame wars in sci.astro.orion. I have seen SPAM filters overload because of Godwin's Law. All those moments will be lost in time... like posts on BBS... time to reboot.
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