Hey Miro, Sad to hear that it's been so rough.
On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 9:59 AM Miro Hrončok <mhron...@redhat.com> wrote: > Hello, > I was torn whether to share this here or not. I don't want to be the one > who > always complains about things, but at the end I've decided that without > honest > feedback, there cannot be progress (and I've realized I already am that > guy). > > Please don't take this feedback personally, I know that building things is > hard. > I don't criticize people, but the tools. > > Almost 2 years ago, we've decided to be the early adopters of gating in > Fedora > with the python-virtualenv package: > > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-virtualenv/c/66b7533376f > > Gating has proved more problematic than useful. It almost never works > reliably, > the problems are impossible to decipher and/or debug. Too often we had to > ask > for a CI-expert human intervention or straight out waive the results. > > The humans we've contacted were always very friendly, helpful and they > were able > to solve our issues. However, human-operated CIs unfortunately don't scale > very > well. > Heh heh. At first, we assumed the issues will get ironed out with time, but there > seem to > be no visible progress. > > Moreover, the gating caught 0 issues, because we already test our changes > via > Pull Requests. > I'm not sure if others have similar experience, or if we just got unlucky :( > Martin Pitt recently posted a blog post about how he's been using the same tests and environments upstream in Pull Requests + downstream in Fedora gating. He also talks about "Fedora Gating woes" there. Perhaps similar concerns and pragmatic solutions. https://cockpit-project.org/blog/fmf-unified-testing.html Cheers, Stef > > After a very bumpy ride, we've now removed the (quite incomprehensible) > gating > config, because frankly, it just gets in the way: > > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-virtualenv/pull-request/39 > > We will continue to run the CI in pull requests (which isn't perfect > either but > at least we have redundancy and we see visible progress there over time) > and to > run tests in %check (which works perfectly, but has many unfortunate > limitations). > > Let me be 100% clear: The situation wrt CI is complex and brings many > interesting challenges, but if I compare it with the dark ages before > that, I > would not trade. Thank you everybody for making Fedora a better place to > contribute to. > > -- > Miro Hrončok > -- > Phone: +420777974800 > IRC: mhroncok > _______________________________________________ > CI mailing list -- c...@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to ci-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/c...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure > -- Stef Walter (he / his) Linux Engineering Red Hat
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