On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 20:42, Adam Williamson <adamw...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 2020-12-03 at 19:48 +0100, Clement Verna wrote: > > > > I think if we don't want to accept a different > > > > philosophy about release schedule and release engineering we can > > just > > > close > > > > that Change proposal. > > > > > > That's not the outcome I intended, but rather that if we want > > CoreOS to > > > be an "Edition" but we don't want to require it to conform to the > > > existing "philosophy", as you put it, we need the scope of this > > Change > > > to include thinking through all the consequences of that and > > deciding > > > what to do about them. > > > > > > > Happy to do that, is your main concern about communication and the > > story of > > what is "Fedora" ? or what are the other consequences ? > > For me personally it's mainly about validation and release engineering. > Specifically, making sure the processes we have in place for deciding > when to cut a CoreOS release in a stream and when to bump streams > between releases align with the Fedora-wide release criteria etc, and > making sure the release criteria express all the requirements we > actually intend to have for making those choices as regards CoreOS. > Making sure there's a clear vertically-integrated process, like there > is for "Fedora", from Edition PRDs to release criteria to validation > tests to release decisions, and there are all the necessary bits of > glue in between those layers, so you can pretty easily trace back and > forth between them. > > But I suspect there are various consequences for other teams and other > parts of the process, if you think about it. If you just look at a > Fedora release schedule: > > https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-34/f-34-all-tasks.html > > there are a zillion things on there, and they're all aligned to our big > every-six-month-release-machine somehow. At minimum, it'd be a good > idea to look through all those and think about whether and how each > entry would be affected by having an Edition with a completely > different release process. > Ok I think I can improve the Change proposal along these lines, and start with what is currently done for each FCOS release and also how that fits within the schedule. > > > > More or less, yes - but with a key addition: "...and if so, how?" > > > > > > > I feel that we already have the how, Fedora CoreOS has been releasing > > fortnightly for more than a year now. > > So it is a matter of making more widely known how this is done ? > > It's a matter of "how" from the perspective of the Fedora project. I > just meant it as an expression of all the other stuff above. > -- > Adam Williamson > Fedora QA > IRC: adamw | Twitter: adamw_ha > https://www.happyassassin.net > > > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >
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