On Friday, 23 October 2020 at 14:45, Aleksandra Fedorova wrote: [...] > You can blame me for being not clear enough, if you want, but I'd > rather move on and use the current GCC11 work as an example which > shows the real power of the ELN proposal, and the real benefit for > Fedora which it brings. > > Despite the accusation of us bypassing the Fedora Change process, we > are doing a different thing. > > GCC11 will definitely go through the Change process as usual.
That's reassuring. > What we are doing right now, is that _before_ making the change to > Fedora mainline, we onboard GCC maintainers, ELN SIG, and RHEL > developers to be the first testers of the upcoming change. I notice how you're not mentioning general Fedora packagers here at all. You're explaining what you're doing, but not why. > We actually use Red Hat resources and turn RHEL developers into > pre-alpha-testers of the GCC11 for Fedora. (I hope this is not taken > as an offence, but rather as acknowledgement of the work and effort > invested in it) No, I'm fine with RHEL devs doing the early integration work. I appreciate Red Hat providing resources for this work, too. Still no answer why you wanted to do it this way. > This activity could have been done internally in RHEL, or externally > in some upstream working groups. But ELN now allows us to do this work > in public in Fedora, and invite Fedora community to join it, if they > _want_. How can we join, then? How is this better than doing this, say, in COPR? Or a rawhide side-tag. > As we promised by the ELN Change we have provided the platform for GCC > upstream, RHEL downstream and Fedora community to collaborate on the > work for Fedora, and motivation for Red Hat to sponsor this effort. So far I haven't seen any clear instructions on how I can, say, rebuild my packages with GCC11 to catch any fall-out early. Or where you're going to publish (if at all) the results of any rebuilds you'll perform. Regards, Dominik -- Fedora https://getfedora.org | RPM Fusion http://rpmfusion.org There should be a science of discontent. People need hard times and oppression to develop psychic muscles. -- from "Collected Sayings of Muad'Dib" by the Princess Irulan _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
