On 10/19/20 11:33 AM, Hans de Goede wrote:
I guess those machines are more or less the cut-off point and slower machines
are not worth keeping around. But that means that there still are a ton
of BIOS machines worth keeping around.

Note that even most sandy bridge machines do not support UEFI and those
machines are still very capable.


I've got ~30 non-EFI Acer TimelineX Aspire 3820Ts, circa ~ 2009-10 still in 
'production' across the enterprise. e.g.,

        dmesg | grep DMI:
                [    0.000000] DMI: Acer Aspire 3820/JM31_CP, BIOS V1.19 
10/27/2010

They currently run (recently migrated)

        grep _NAME /etc/os-release
                PRETTY_NAME="Fedora 32 (Server Edition)"
                CPE_NAME="cpe:/o:fedoraproject:fedora:32"

        uname -rm
                5.8.15-201.fc32.x86_64 x86_64

**ALL* have

        cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep "^model name"
                model name      : Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU       M 370  @ 
2.40GHz

, 8GB RAM

        free
                                total        used        free      shared  
buff/cache   available
        Mem:        7806944      673488     3105532      102896     4027924     
6733392
        Swap:       8388604           0     8388604

, 500GB ssds,

        hwinfo --disk | grep Device:
                Device: "CT1000MX500SSD1"

and run

        libreoffice-x11-6.4.7.2-1.fc32.x86_64
        VirtualBox-6.1-6.1.14_140239_fedora32-1.x86_64 (Win10 guests)
        Firefox 81.0.2
        Thunderbird 78.3.3

as well as

        java --version
                openjdk 15 2020-09-15
                OpenJDK Runtime Environment 20.9 (build 15+36)
                OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM 20.9 (build 15+36, mixed mode, sharing)

a number run

        PhpStorm 2020.3 EAP
        Build #PS-203.4818.52, built on October 15, 2020

&/or

        Eclipse Platform
        Version: 2020-03 (4.15)
        Build id: I20200305-0155

My own manages nginx/php & mariadb quite nicely as well.

Are these screamin' fast?  Do they have 8K screens to play video games on?  No. 
 Of course not.

But they are *perfectly* serviceable/functional; and that's just one model of 
'oldies' around here.


All that^ is _still_ more 'juice' than many a VPS ... what it requires to make 
old boxes 'serve well' is some due diligence on right-sizing your 
kernel/app/server/tool/etc configs.  AND a distro (even if it's a DIY LFS ...) 
that makes it possible.


It really just is way too early / too soon to cut of BIOS booting support.

big emphasis on the 'way'.

i for one am certainly glad that that's the decision that's been taken, and 
that i won't have to face migrating to yet-another-OS because of bad enterprise 
policy decisions.

esp, since Fedora's grown on me  ...
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