Hello, I am using Fedora Workstation with the stock kernel and Gnome Desktop for my recording attempts with Ardour. I am using the Focusrite Scarlett USB sound card and I can get down to 40ms latency without getting any xruns (a couple of releases back, it was an xrun hell). I am aware that the 40ms are nothing really good, but since I only do some folkie stuff (upto 15 tracks) it is OK for me and I think that you can make music on Gnome Desktop.
However, I am totally aware that people like to use what they are used to. Lukas On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 7:21 PM Kalev Lember <kalevlem...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Erich, > > I think this is a great idea -- thanks for getting the discussion started! > > I've always found it weird that the Jam spin is based on another desktop, > different from what Fedora Workstation uses. I think it makes a lot of > sense to switch over and try to improve the audio issues in GNOME. We have > a lot of Fedora developers who are also GNOME upstream developers and this > should create nice synergies. > > As you may be aware, Wim Taymans has been working on pipewire that > Workstation ships with, with the goal of improving the audio and video > experience in Fedora Workstation and GNOME and Linux desktop in general. > The Jam spin switching to GNOME makes a lot of sense in this context -- > that way the Jam users can quickly give feedback on any pipewire issues and > feature requests, hopefully improving the overall situation quickly. > > Good idea and +1 from me. > > -- > Kalev > > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 6:10 PM <er...@ericheickmeyer.com> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I'm considering moving Fedora Jam from KDE Plasma to GNOME. There are >> multiple reasons for this, and I think part of it would be beneficial >> to the overall GNOME and Fedora communities as it would be a way to be >> helping improve the situation in GNOME that exist as the biggest >> objections from the community of musicians and Linux audio enthusiasts >> in the overall community. >> >> The biggest objections are resource usage, since the more resources >> that are in use, the more it tends to interfere with real-time audio >> processes, causing buffer overruns and/or underruns. These overruns and >> underruns are known as Xruns. The fewer Xruns, the better, as Xruns >> cause pops during recording. When doing real-time audio work, you want >> to have as low of latency as possible which requires as small of a >> buffer as possible. The goal is to have a small buffer to get minimal >> latency while avoiding Xruns. >> >> Unfortunately, GNOME has, since 3.0, traditionally interfered with >> these processes and caused Xruns. My goal, by moving Fedora Jam from >> Plasma to GNOME, is to help GNOME improve this situation. >> >> The other reason for switching away from Plasma is the overall negative >> attitude I see from Fedora KDE users and former Fedora KDE >> contributors. It seems to be an attitude against the progress of >> improving the Linux desktop for the better, and simply complaining. I >> know some of this attitude comes from Red Hat dropping KDE from being a >> desktop in REHL, among other changes. That attitude is regressive, and >> does nothing to help the community if all you do is complain. I could >> name names, but for the sake of the "Friends" foundation, I will not. >> >> Anyhow, I'd love to see a discussion about this as well as any guidance >> toward making this change. I know there would have to be a new >> kickstart along with Koji pointing toward said kickstart. I could make >> the kickstart, but I think I'd need Koji to look for it. >> >> Thanks and best regards, >> Erich >> ---- >> Erich Eickmeyer >> Fedora Jam >> _______________________________________________ >> devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >> Fedora Code of Conduct: >> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> List Archives: >> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >> > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > -- Lukáš Růžička FEDORA QE, RHCE Red Hat <https://www.redhat.com> Purkyňova 115 612 45 Brno - Královo Pole lruzi...@redhat.com TRIED AND PERSONALLY TESTED, ERGO TRUSTED. <https://redhat.com/trusted>
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