On 3/31/20 1:40 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 13:08:05 -0400,
Matthew Miller <mat...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
We did communicate as the very top line of our gathered requirements
that
open source is essential to our community and central to our
feedback. I'm
not trying to be soft on that. Let's just not do purity-test level
assessments and instead focus on our goals.
The response from CPE made it sound like they just counted
requirements rather than evalutating how important each requirement
was to each group. Perhaps that was not intended, but that's they way
it sounds. I think that being able to theorectically switch from
hosted to self-hosted in short order (like in a month), should have
been a deal breaking requirement from Fedora in case something at
Gitlab changed that prevented using their hosted service. That implies
having access to the source (capable of running our instance) with a
free license and regular exports of the data in our hands. It doesn't
sound like that is a requirement from the response provided by CPE.
Because of switching costs, this is likely to prevent us from going
back to Pagure if it does develop a vibrant independent community.
That would be unfortunate.
This particular dilemma reminds me very much of the time when the LInux
kernel developers weren't using version control, and it became clear
that one is needed. Linus just refused to use CVS, and after some
controversy, the core developers decided to use Larry McVoy's
proprietary BitKeeper distributed VCS. This solved the technical problem
and was successfully used for few years (2002 to 2005, IIRC).
Bitkeeper critics were pointing out that while the Linux community was
free to use it to keep the source code, the Bitkeeper terms of use
prohibited the non-commercial users from extracting the metadata
(history, logs, etc). This issue kept causing problems, finally spurring
Linus to sit down and invent git, and the rest is history.
It is important to remember that BitKeeper, while proprietary, had a
very friendly and close relationship with the FOSS community, both when
they joined forces and even when they were parting ways. Still, the
official Linux git log (
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/log/?ofs=905000
) lacks the development history preceding 2005-04-16, and starts with
one heck of a commit:
2005-04-16 [PATCH] mmtimer build fix
<https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=8d38eadb7a97f265f7b3a9e8a30df358c3a546c8>
Christoph Lameter 1 -1/+1
2005-04-16 Linux-2.6.12-rc2
<https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=1da177e4c3f41524e886b7f1b8a0c1fc7321cac2>v2.6.12-rc2
<https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tag/?h=v2.6.12-rc2>
Linus Torvalds 17291 -0/+6718755
Perhaps the relevant lesson is that the only permanent thing is that
nothing is permanent. Decisions that seem inevitable and superior do not
necessarily continue to be so, and it's good to have a contingency plan
for such event----although I am pretty sure that Linus did NOT plan to
work on git in 2002.
Disclaimer: I wrote down my personal best recollections and opinions.
Please draw your own conclusions and analogies; I ask for your
indulgence hoping that it will be enlightening to at least someone.
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