On 3/30/20 5:11 PM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> On 30. 03. 20 16:04, Ben Cotton wrote:
>> === Other ===
>> * Proposal owners:
>> ** based on above, adapt jdk8 and jdk11 package provides
>> ** If necessary tune the build environment
>>
>> * Other developers:
>> ** based on selected approach to tune the main build tools
>> *** at least jpackage-tools and maven will be very likely affected
>> ** based on selected approach to tune the rpmbuild/macros
>> ** many java package maintainers will maybe need to adapt theirs packages
>> *** After the approach is agreed, mass rebuild must be performed
>> *** FTBFS bugs connected with this proposal, maybe with jira ticket to
>> allow discussion.

Thank you for bringing it up!
> 
> I don't understand who does all the hard work. Will the change owners just 
> change the default and go
> away, or will the change owners handle the rebuilds?

We will handle the tuning of jdk8 and jdk11 rpms. Also we will do an initial 
testing if it does what
it should.
Once it is done, mass rebuild is launched. we will then see. But it will be in 
on individual package
owners to fix theirs packages.
We will definitely help where necessary or where needed, and will most likely 
gather the most common
cases, but to push to not-owned repos... only in critical cases.

Of course we can reconsider, but it is not on powers of few (5?) individuals to 
fix 2500 packages,
even if it will be only two or three most common cases.

As for the runtime part, it is another story. There again we will do everything 
necessary to fix the
problems both usptream and downstream, but the runtime casaes will flow up only 
in later stages of
lifecycle  of f33. Possibly even after f33 release.  Note, that if there is 
serious runtime issues,
then it would be really poorly written usptream application or very outdated 
downstream, not broken
migration. Still the help will be attempted to be provided.

> 
> As a side not, please don't mix in Jira tickets, that sounds RH internal to 
> me.

Sure. If I did, then not intentionally. By jira ticket in the above  I had in 
mind general ticket on
pagure or similarly. The word jira did not belonged here. fixed the doc.
> 
Thanx!
 thanx a lot,
    J.

-- 
Jiri Vanek
Senior QE engineer, OpenJDK QE lead, Mgr.
Red Hat Czech
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