On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 1:13 PM Julen Landa Alustiza < jla...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> > > 20/3/30 13:43(e)an, Leigh Griffin igorleak idatzi zuen: > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 12:24 PM Iñaki Ucar <iu...@fedoraproject.org > > <mailto:iu...@fedoraproject.org>> wrote: > > > > On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 at 13:10, Leigh Griffin <lgrif...@redhat.com > > <mailto:lgrif...@redhat.com>> wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:29 AM Iñaki Ucar > > <iu...@fedoraproject.org <mailto:iu...@fedoraproject.org>> wrote: > > >> > > >> So I was also waiting for those open discussions about the > > >> requirements gathered. > > > > > > We had several threads on them from the Fedora perspective on both > > devel and council lists. > > > > Yet again: threads on requirements gathering, not on the merits of > the > > final User Story list. > > > > > > A merits based discussion whereby multiple stakeholders have a totally > > different view and use case for a Forge is impossible to facilitate. > > What is valuable to you and your use case might not be valuable to other > > users and vice versa. I'm happy to have a conversation about any > > individual requirements but the reality is any that made the list are > > valid requirements from a stakeholder perspective and it's not up to me > > or anyone to challenge that assertion. > As I asked before on this thread, I would like to know how are you > planning to fullfill the SLA requirement while the SLE from CPE for the > services like AAA that the forge will require to function is lower than > the required SLA for the forge itself. > The availability of the forge isn't bound by the availability of the AAA system, that will only impact a percentage of users. I'm not sure if that is addressing your question or not? > > > > > > That's what several of us were expecting. I > > don't think it's too hard too understand. You can say "no, that > wasn't > > part of the process", but then, sorry, you didn't communicate that > > effectively. > > > > > I'm sorry this is disappointing but even reading the analysis by > > Neal it is looking at the merit of the requirement and not looking > > at the fact that it is valuable to somebody. Each stakeholder group > > had their own means to discuss and debate the merits and had them > > rolled into CPE who in turn analysed them and published the full > > story list. > > > > Two things are obvious here: 1) not all the requirements can be met > > (you already stated this), and 2) not all requirements have the same > > importance. So yes, of course Neal is looking at the merit of every > > single requirement, and that's your job too. What if I say that is > > valuable to me that the GitHub logo is on top of the interface? Is > > that something that should be taken into account just because it's > > valuable to somebody? > > > > > > If that came up as a UI requirement then yes we would have taken it on > > board, would have documented it and would have presented it in the final > > list of unique user stories we gathered. Would it be weighed equally > > with a more core functional requirement? The answer is of course no but > > we would have respected that request. > > > > The Fedora specific requirements (as I am on the Fedora lists here) had > > very few unique needs such that both Gitlab and Pagure would have > > satisfied their desire. Either Forge would have been satisfied the > > requirements we received and we ultimately opted for Gitlab based on a > > more holistic view of the stakeholder needs. > > > > > > Iñaki > > _______________________________________________ > > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > > <mailto:devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> > > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > <mailto:devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org> > > Fedora Code of Conduct: > > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > > List Guidelines: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > List Archives: > > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Leigh Griffin > > > > Engineering Manager > > > > Red Hat Waterford <https://www.redhat.com/> > > > > Communications House > > > > Cork Road, Waterford City > > > > lgrif...@redhat.com <mailto:lgrif...@redhat.com> > > M: +353877545162 <tel:+353877545162> IM: lgriffin > > > > @redhatjobs <https://twitter.com/redhatjobs> redhatjobs > > <https://www.facebook.com/redhatjobs> @redhatjobs > > <https://instagram.com/redhatjobs> > > <https://red.ht/sig> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > > -- > Julen Landa Alustiza <jla...@fedoraproject.org> > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > -- Leigh Griffin Engineering Manager Red Hat Waterford <https://www.redhat.com/> Communications House Cork Road, Waterford City lgrif...@redhat.com M: +353877545162 IM: lgriffin @redhatjobs <https://twitter.com/redhatjobs> redhatjobs <https://www.facebook.com/redhatjobs> @redhatjobs <https://instagram.com/redhatjobs> <https://red.ht/sig>
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