Apologies to Ty. I should have written instead: Daniel Pocock seems to have created a complicated situation with Debian, which includes sock puppets and attempts at impersonation.
Here is a good LWN article that tries to cover the topic - https://lwn.net/Articles/814508/ . It is not the only one -- there's endless mailing list threads and blogposts. take care, martin On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:29 PM Ty Young <youngty1...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 3/19/20 10:03 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > > Oh my - Daniel and his sock puppets come to bring mayhem to Fedora-devel? > > some background at https://lwn.net/Articles/814508/ > > cut off the trolling... > > > I do believe calling people "sock puppets" is a violation of the CoC. > Specifically, the "be respectful" section at the top. > > > Anyway, not the same person. I'd jump off a cliff before having anything > to do with or use Debian. Anyone who knows me from Reddit could probably > tell you that. > > > > > m > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:37 PM Ty Young <youngty1...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> On 3/19/20 2:18 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: >> > >> > On 12/03/2020 22:34, Matthew Miller wrote: >> >> On Sat, Mar 07, 2020 at 11:33:04PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: >> >>> It is very, very wrong and I don't feel I should have to make a public >> >>> request like this. Nonetheless, there is a certain type of person who >> >> Daniel, to request re-instatement, please follow the process outlined >> >> in the original code-of-conduct suspension notice you received. A >> >> public post is not necessary. >> > >> > Personally, I feel offended by your choice of words >> > >> > A suspension of a blog may itself be a violation of the Code of Conduct >> > if the blog was written in good faith >> > >> > I never received one complaint about my blog from anybody in the Fedora >> > world. Several people noticed when it disappeared though. >> > >> > The blog post in question discussed a conflict of interest between the >> > leaders of two free software organizations, the Debian Project Leader >> > and the OSI board president. As I interacted with both of them >> > personally, I felt that I was qualified to share my observations. >> > >> > That topic itself was forced into the public because one of the people >> > party to the conflict of interest had spread gossip about me and the >> > other used her speech at an event for humiliating volunteers. >> > >> > It feels like Codes of Conduct apply to some people and not others. As >> > George Orwell puts it, /All animals are equal but some animals are more >> > equal than others/. >> >> >> Have you seen Gnome's CoC? It literally allows racism. There was a bit >> of an uproar about it, and Gnome foundation/developers members refused >> to change it. >> >> >> (Gnome and Fedora are very incestous projects, so yes, it is relevant) >> >> >> Now that communism is the cool, hip ideology in town, Gnome/Fedora are >> embracing it. Book burning is the next step, but one might argue the >> deletion of discussion threads and blogs already *is* that step. >> >> >> > >> > Fedora's Code of Conduct[1] asks people to be excellent to each other. >> > When talking about governance issues, being excellent to other >> > volunteers means telling them the truth about leadership problems in the >> > free software world. >> > >> > Being excellent to leaders who behave badly means keeping a focus on the >> > issues. For example, when blogging about two people with a romantic >> > conflict of interest, I would never speculate about their first date and >> > other personal details, I would only focus on the way their decision >> > making was impaired. >> > >> > Even this week there are people writing public comments alleging I had a >> > conflict of interest, but that is false. I named Chris Lamb and Molly >> > de Blanc because their conflict of interest was at the root of certain >> > problems. At least one member of Debian's mentoring team also had a >> > conflict of interest with an intern. I didn't identify them out of >> > concerns for student privacy. Nonetheless, when people spread gossip, >> > leadership figures have a responsibility to stop it, but they didn't, >> > they added fuel to the fire and they continue to do so even now. >> > >> > If the leaders of organizations can behave like that, why should the >> > Code of Conduct deny a volunteer a right of reply? >> >> >> Silly Daniel, you aren't supposed to question the supreme leaders. You >> have to fall in line and never question anything. >> >> >> If you need help understanding, I recommend reading up on what's going >> on in China right now. Concentration camps, book burning, police >> brutality, people vanishing, etc... >> >> >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Daniel >> > >> > 1. https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >> > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >> > Fedora Code of Conduct: >> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >> > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> > List Archives: >> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >> _______________________________________________ >> devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >> Fedora Code of Conduct: >> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> List Archives: >> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >> > > > -- > martin.langh...@gmail.com > - ask interesting questions ~ http://linkedin.com/in/martinlanghoff > - don't be distracted ~ http://github.com/martin-langhoff > by shiny stuff > > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > -- martin.langh...@gmail.com - ask interesting questions ~ http://linkedin.com/in/martinlanghoff - don't be distracted ~ http://github.com/martin-langhoff by shiny stuff
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