On Wednesday, August 28, 2019 10:00:03 AM MST Chris Murphy wrote:
> This is hyperbole, and turning up the volume isn't going to make
> anyone go "oh, ok, now I see your point, it's hostile and we don't
> want to do that, let's change it" as if literally everyone reading
> this is some kind of moron.

I disagree. The description is a response to the earlier suggestion, that 
because something is already insecure, to a certain degree, that it should 
just be left that way.

> 
> Your position is shown to be weak if you have to use this distinctly
> non-objective tactic designed to evoke an emotional response in the
> reader. All you're doing is casually dismissing one side of a
> balancing act and then claiming the result as proof the policy should
> change. Guess what? Saying things does not make them true.

You're welcome to your opinion, but that doesn't make it so. I'm not 
dismissing anything.

> You should try to understand all of these arguments have happened
> before, and if you really want a change to happen, you need a produce
> a compelling new arguments.

See my other responses to this thread.

> Did the previous working group misunderstand something previously?

It seem so.

> Has new information come to light?

Yes, more people have realized what was done by the GNOME spin.

> Has the GUI firewall app made UI/Ux improvements that might sway the
> working group to re-evaluate?

Possibly, but that doesn't have anything to do with what needs to be done to 
provide our users with a more secure default.

> By all means shout more. And be ignored. Or do the hard work and put
> together a deliberate and compelling argument.

I have been addressing concerns as I see them. If you have a concern I have 
not addressed, please feel free to ask.

-- 
John M. Harris, Jr. <joh...@splentity.com>
Splentity
https://splentity.com/

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