On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 1:36 PM Neal Gompa <ngomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 7:29 AM Aleksandar Kurtakov <akurt...@redhat.com> > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 1:17 PM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski < > domi...@greysector.net> wrote: > >> > >> On Tuesday, 12 March 2019 at 12:02, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: > >> > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 11:49 AM Jakub Jelen <jje...@redhat.com> > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Is there already a way to package the java application as a module > or > >> > > we will really remove all these package from Fedora? > >> > > >> > Most of Java packages listed in this thread are already packaged as > >> > modules. Their retirement in rawhide won't directly cause their > >> > removal from distribution. > >> > >> Maybe, but it will cause the removal of other packages that depend on > >> their regular (non-modular) builds. You are forcing the hands of their > >> maintainers before the infrastructure to make modular packages available > >> as build dependencies to regular packages is in place to remake their > >> packages into modules, let them be retired or pick up your orphans. If > >> it were ready, your moving these packages to modules would be a > >> non-event for everyone concerned except you. Instead of helping with > >> that (or just waiting), you are about to cause the retirement of quite a > >> few packages whose maintainers want nothing to do with Modularity. > >> That's not excellent. > > > > > > Dominik, that is totally ugly reply to Mikolaj! Whole Java RPM community > (note not only Fedora but Mageia and etc. too) relied on his work to keep > hundreds (or maybe even thousands) of packages rpm installable. And he has > done that for years without ever complaining! Even more he is one of the > most helpful maintainers whenever someone faces an issue. Respect should be > shown when deserved, blaming like that causes nothing but ill feelings. > > Everyone should remember that this is *COMMUNITY* project and if/when > someone needs something they should be ready to jump in and do the work - > whether taking packages or helping infra guys or whatever but no one owes > others anything. > > > > P.S. As Eclipse stack maintainers we are directly hit by this and > already working towards turning it into module as we don't have the > manpower to take over the maintainership of pristine rpms that Mikolaj > maintains. Whoever things that's easy job is welcome to try it out! > > > > This whole process was handled in the worst possible way. To sum up: > * No one knew Java SIG was having manpower issues because Mikolaj > didn't know how to ask for help > * Now it's too late because he orphaned nearly 1700 packages to force > modularization > * This caused everyone dependent on those packages to freak > * And here we are in the bad ending... > > We could have avoided the bad ending if at any point there was an > official call for help to increase Java SIG manpower. There wasn't. We > could have avoided this if there was a discussion before the > orphaning. There wasn't. > > We could have avoided the bad ending if people dependent on Java > packages were given the opportunity to help. As you say, this is a > community distro. That goes both ways. But that didn't happen. > Hmm, https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/java-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/MQMRQVENBLDRS67WLNQ7EOCMSDI5WIET/ seems that people had a lot of time to act and get involved. > > So here we are, in the bad ending. > > > > -- > 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > -- Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse Team
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