I wouldn't use the word useless. Having the packages is just a quality of life 
thing. Just like for me as mainly C++ developer; not having Basel or abseil 
does not make Fedora useless for me or C++ developers. It doesn't take much 
effort to get your environment up and running script the procedure and share 
with team mates to replicate.
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On Sep 28, 2018, 18:39, Kevin Kofler < kevin.kof...@chello.at> wrote:

>
> Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: > Users that want to reproduce Ant 1.10.2 build would 
> need to repeat > series of builds and rely on information stored in Koji to 
> know what > builds should be ran in what order. Trying to build packages only 
> from > content released to users would be even more difficult. The point is, 
> the Ant 1.10.2 package can be used to build itself (as well as hundreds of 
> other Java packages, including the user's own code). It is not essential to 
> be able to redo the bootstrapping as long as the bootstrapped binary that is 
> shipped is self-hosting. And if you want to no longer ship Ant because it is 
> "only" a build tool, that is going to make Fedora essentially useless for 
> Java developers. Kevin Kofler 
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