On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 9:19 PM Robert Marcano <rob...@marcanoonline.com> wrote:
> On 08/12/2018 02:07 PM, JD wrote: > > What about dependencies of dependencies? Have you thought of that? > > Sorry, I don't get the question, these are devel packages, not runtime > libraries, these dependencies of dependencies are already pulled if I > install gtk3, but code that only links with GTK3, only needs gtk3-devel > to be built, the others devel packages are only needed if my code links > to them directly. > You intentionally (or not) didn't reply to my comment on this. Just look into gtk+-3.0.pc: Requires: gdk-3.0 atk >= 2.15.1 cairo >= 1.14.0 cairo-gobject >= 1.14.0 gdk-pixbuf-2.0 >= 2.30.0 gio-2.0 >= 2.49.4 Requires.private: atk atk-bridge-2.0 wayland-client >= 1.9.91 wayland-protocols >= 1.12 xkbcommon >= 0.2.0 wayland-cursor >= 1.9.91 wayland-egl epoxy >= 1.0 pangoft2 gio-unix-2.0 >= 2.49.4 All those wayland and xkb stuff is needed only if you link to gtk statically. But since we don't ship static library, no one can use it anyway → those requirements are useless. The problem here is that they are auto-generated and I've proposed to improve that. > > > > On 08/12/2018 11:07 AM, Robert Marcano wrote: > >> On 08/12/2018 12:46 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: > >>> Robert Marcano wrote: > >>> > >>>> And thinking about it, a lot *-devel packages interdependencies should > >>>> be Recommends and not Requires > >>> > >>> You keep saying this, I'd like to see some evidence to support that. > >> > >> Example below. why do I need all these dependencies, when I only link > >> directly with gtk3 widgets? some of those are only there because gtk > >> links against them and maybe I will link with them too, but some are > >> so low level that doesn't make sense. > >> > >> I should be able, for example, to build a very small container image > >> that only contains the devel packages I really link with, to use on my > >> builders (using install_weak_deps=False or any other solution). > >> > >> But anyways, these are only ideas to help reduce the chance of people > >> overlinking. Maybe I am wrong on liking less implicit dependencies > >> when installing devel packages. > >> > >>> # dnf install gtk3-devel > >>> Last metadata expiration check: 0:42:52 ago on Sun 12 Aug 2018 > >>> 12:11:09 PM -04. > >>> Dependencies resolved. > >>> > ======================================================================================================== > > >>> > >>> Package Arch > >>> Version Repository Size > >>> > ======================================================================================================== > > >>> > >>> Installing: > >>> gtk3-devel x86_64 > >>> 3.22.30-1.fc28 fedora 4.4 M > >>> Installing dependencies: > >>> at-spi2-atk-devel x86_64 > >>> 2.26.2-1.fc28 fedora 18 k > >>> at-spi2-core-devel x86_64 > >>> 2.28.0-1.fc28 fedora 142 k > >>> atk-devel x86_64 > >>> 2.28.1-1.fc28 fedora 191 k > >>> bzip2-devel x86_64 > >>> 1.0.6-26.fc28 fedora 223 k > >>> cairo-devel x86_64 > >>> 1.15.12-2.fc28 updates 271 k > >>> cairo-gobject-devel x86_64 > >>> 1.15.12-2.fc28 updates 24 k > >>> cmake-filesystem x86_64 > >>> 3.11.2-1.fc28 updates 38 k > >>> dbus-devel x86_64 > >>> 1:1.12.10-1.fc28 updates 65 k > >>> expat-devel x86_64 > >>> 2.2.5-3.fc28 fedora 54 k > >>> fontconfig-devel x86_64 > >>> 2.13.0-4.fc28 updates 144 k > >>> freetype-devel x86_64 > >>> 2.8-10.fc28 fedora 453 k > >>> fribidi-devel x86_64 > >>> 1.0.2-1.fc28 updates 30 k > >>> gdk-pixbuf2-devel x86_64 > >>> 2.36.12-1.fc28 fedora 221 k > >>> graphite2-devel x86_64 > >>> 1.3.10-5.fc28 fedora 44 k > >>> harfbuzz-devel x86_64 > >>> 1.7.5-3.fc28 fedora 180 k > >>> libX11-devel x86_64 > >>> 1.6.5-7.fc28 fedora 985 k > >>> libXau-devel x86_64 > >>> 1.0.8-11.fc28 fedora 19 k > >>> libXcomposite-devel x86_64 > >>> 0.4.4-12.fc28 fedora 21 k > >>> libXcursor-devel x86_64 > >>> 1.1.15-1.fc28 fedora 28 k > >>> libXdamage-devel x86_64 > >>> 1.1.4-12.fc28 fedora 14 k > >>> libXext-devel x86_64 > >>> 1.3.3-8.fc28 fedora 79 k > >>> libXfixes-devel x86_64 > >>> 5.0.3-5.fc28 fedora 18 k > >>> libXft-devel x86_64 > >>> 2.3.2-8.fc28 fedora 24 k > >>> libXi-devel x86_64 > >>> 1.7.9-6.fc28 fedora 110 k > >>> libXinerama-devel x86_64 > >>> 1.1.3-10.fc28 fedora 18 k > >>> libXrandr-devel x86_64 > >>> 1.5.1-5.fc28 fedora 25 k > >>> libXrender-devel x86_64 > >>> 0.9.10-5.fc28 fedora 21 k > >>> libXxf86vm-devel x86_64 > >>> 1.1.4-7.fc28 fedora 23 k > >>> libdrm-devel x86_64 > >>> 2.4.93-1.fc28 updates 142 k > >>> libepoxy-devel x86_64 > >>> 1.5.2-1.fc28 updates 141 k > >>> libglvnd-core-devel x86_64 > >>> 1:1.0.1-0.7.git5baa1e5.fc28 updates 23 k > >>> libglvnd-devel x86_64 > >>> 1:1.0.1-0.7.git5baa1e5.fc28 updates 15 k > >>> libglvnd-opengl x86_64 > >>> 1:1.0.1-0.7.git5baa1e5.fc28 updates 47 k > >>> libicu-devel x86_64 > >>> 60.2-2.fc28 fedora 920 k > >>> libpng-devel x86_64 > >>> 2:1.6.34-6.fc28 updates 326 k > >>> libuuid-devel x86_64 > >>> 2.32.1-1.fc28 updates 91 k > >>> libxcb-devel x86_64 > >>> 1.13-1.fc28 fedora 1.1 M > >>> libxkbcommon-devel x86_64 > >>> 0.8.0-5.fc28 updates 59 k > >>> mesa-libEGL-devel x86_64 > >>> 18.0.5-3.fc28 updates 47 k > >>> mesa-libGL-devel x86_64 > >>> 18.0.5-3.fc28 updates 173 k > >>> pango-devel x86_64 > >>> 1.42.3-1.fc28 updates 320 k > >>> pixman-devel x86_64 > >>> 0.34.0-8.fc28 updates 19 k > >>> wayland-devel x86_64 > >>> 1.15.0-1.fc28 fedora 145 k > >>> wayland-protocols-devel noarch > >>> 1.14-1.fc28 updates 69 k > >>> xorg-x11-proto-devel noarch > >>> 2018.4-1.fc28 fedora 282 k > >>> > >>> Transaction Summary > >>> > ======================================================================================================== > > >>> > >>> Install 46 Packages > >> > >> > >>> > >>> -- Rex > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > >>> To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > >>> Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > >>> List Guidelines: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines 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