On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 12:06 PM, Stephen Gallagher <sgall...@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jun 14, 2018, 10:42 PM Josh Boyer <jwbo...@fedoraproject.org> > wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 5:51 PM Till Maas <opensou...@till.name> wrote: >> > >> > On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 03:57:36PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: >> > > On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 3:53 PM Randy Barlow >> > >> > > > Downside is that it would be possible (though I'd guess unlikely) >> for >> > > > all of FESCo to suddenly change to 9 different people and there'd >> be no >> > > > members who know the current state of things. We would also need to >> do >> > > > something a little awkward to get into this state since we currently >> > > > have staggered terms. >> > > >> > > The election structure was setup specifically to avoid this problem. >> > > The alternative solutions were all pretty poor. >> > >> > This seems to be a very theoretical problem because it would mean that >> > we have nine times the number of new candidates that we have now and >> > everyone is so unsatisfied with FESCo that only new candidates will be >> > elected. And if there is so deep dissatisfaction, a fresh start might >> > even be a good idea. Also there would still be other people around to >> > provide guidance or there is another problem. >> >> It was a solution to a practical problem when we came up with it. >> Fedora was young, core and extras had just merged. People were >> excited about guiding Fedora at a technical level. We needed the >> structure to ensure we didn't have massive swings in direction on >> technologies and sufficient transfer of knowledge. The overall number >> of contributors was smaller, but the interest level was greater. >> >> I'm not against reworking the election schedule or terms, but it's >> good to know why something was put in place before you change it. >> Dismissing it as theoretical does nothing but make me feel old, which >> is OK because I am. I'm not convinced a change in the election >> structure or term limits is really going to drum up interest in FESCo >> though. The problems we face there are more fundamental than that. >> >> josh >> > > > Over the past five years or so, the membership in FESCo has rarely changed > except when an existing member voluntarily gives up their seat. The > elections rely heavily on name recognition and so being on FESCo is > self-reinforcing. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, however. Clearly it > has been working for Fedora, since the Project is thriving. > > I'd like to suggest a more radical approach then: what if we only hold > elections under two circumstances? > > 1) An existing member steps down and announces that a seat is opening. > > 2) A vote of no-confidence is raised for one or more individuals currently > serving. In this case, those individuals can also remain on the ballot to > retain their seat. The details of the no confidence clause would need to be > worked out to avoid constant jeopardy and too frequent elections, but I > think that could be feasible. > I understand the sentiment here, but it worries me in several ways: * These kinds of policies make it harder for those on the border of burn out (or similar issues) to step back. Elections/terms reverse the question to a "do you want to keep doing this" instead of "we assume you are still good." * It is very hard to get a no-confidence movement together. It makes it hard to deal with small issues because no-confidence is a "huge deal." This is not to say that lots of people have small issues, but elections/terms create a natural opportunity for turn-over based on a variety of factors. regards, bex > > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists. > fedoraproject.org/message/PST3EV75BAI5RTSVZ6RMDLHNEGHVYL3B/ > > -- Brian (bex) Exelbierd | bexel...@redhat.com | b...@pobox.com Fedora Community Action & Impact Coordinator @bexelbie | http://www.winglemeyer.org
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