On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Ken Coar <kc...@redhat.com> wrote:
> At 2018-05-31T02:36, Jason L Tibbitts III irritated the
> Akashic Field to say:
>>
>> If a user is technical, and our documentation is reasonably good,
>> then they should be able to achieve the level of verbosity they want.
>
> When you need to get into single-user mode, the documentation
> is probably not to hand. :-)
>
> How about making this a yes/no installation option?  With
> a default of not changing the current behaviour?
>
> "Do you want to always see the Grub menu, even when you
> only have a single kernel installed on your bloody machine?
> Choosing 'Y' will retain the behaviour exhibited by prior
> versions of Fedora. [Yn]" :-)

No, we need to some to some kind of consensus. Making the already
overly complicated installer more complicated is not a good plan for
either users or testers. And contra snark for your snark: that's
pretty adversarial and thus shitty UI/UX wording,  that will at best
give translation and documentation folks a headache, and
simultaneously gives a majority of Fedora users no f'n clue what
behavior is even under discussion. What's GRUB? What's a single
kernel? My prior Fedora had behavior Q because 4 years ago I modified
it, forgot about that modification, and have never done a clean
install since then, so my idea of "default" differs from the distro
installation default.

So yeah - no, no, and no.

I wonder what percentage of users this change applies to. Most users I
think are multibooting Workstation. And Atomic, Cloud, and Server
products will all continue to need GRUB menu visibility by default.

I see the change as probably benefiting a few and harming a few, and
at least on the surface it appears to be a tie. And therefore I'd say
it's not compelling enough of a change.

-- 
Chris Murphy
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