On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Adam Williamson <adamw...@fedoraproject.org > wrote:
> On Thu, 2018-01-11 at 10:19 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 3:26 AM, James Hogarth <james.hoga...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > Having upgraded and freshly installed systems so different is going to > > > be messy with supporting users and in many deployed environments... > > > and it's not even about F26 and F27 -> F28 but what happens on an F29+ > > > system? > > > > > > Is this workaround going to be maintained in perpetuity? Is it just > > > going to cause even more confusion then? > > > > I agree. Sometimes it's just best to have a flag day. > > > > Also, the Workstation PRD indicates a requirement that upgrades > > produce a system that behaves the same as a clean installed system, > > and I question whether a proposal expressing a difference between > > upgraded and clean installed systems meets that requirement. > > > > "Upgrading the system multiple times through the upgrade process > > should give a result that is the same as an original install of Fedora > > Workstation." > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Workstation_PRD > > To be honest, that requirement is a pretty substantial overreach. We > have no realistic means of verifying it and I strongly suspect we've > never actually achieved it. > > We should probably rephrase it (and the release criterion, which IIRC > says something similar) to be more realistic, though I admit I can't > come up with a great idea right now. > This wording in the Workstation PRD really is looking toward Atomic Workstation or similar technology in the future - not saying that we expect to achieve this goal 100% (or even 95%...) with RPM based installs. Owen
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