On 9 October 2017 at 11:30, Solomon Peachy <pi...@shaftnet.org> wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 07, 2017 at 10:17:31PM -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> > The killing of logged out user processes, without record and with
> > no option to disable it after compilation in release 230 was another
> > one.
>
> Oh, that's utter, unffettered BS.  That feature was there from the
> beginning.  v230 changed it from defaulting off to defaulting on, and
> that was documented in the release notes.  "disabling" that change was
> no more than a matter of changing one line in one config file.
>
> Meanwhile, the folks (eg Debian) who compiled-out that feature as a
> response (instead of changing the default back to off) are the ones
> responsible from introducing a functional regression, as it meant that
> admins who *wanted* that functionality found it no longer working.
>
> And incidently, the only actual *users* affected by this had all
> explcitly opted in to use bleeding-edge Linux distributions, such as
> Fedora Rawhide and Debian Unstable.  These bleeding-edge distros
> routinely have far more serious "regressions" than that.
>
> That whole kerfuffle was a whole lot of sound and fury made over a
> development process working exactly as it was supposed to, and the
> distribution model once again showed its value.
>
> > Do not get me *started* on the "systemd knows better than you do
> > or than syslinux how many active connections MySQL should support,
> > we'll just reset that behind your back" that I encountered recently.
>
> This sounds like you have a beef with the folks who wrote the mysql
> systemd unit file(s) and/or its packagers, not systemd itself.
> Especially as MySQL isn't distributed by Fedora nor does a unit file for
> MySQL come with the upstream (or Fedora) systemd releases.
>
>  - Solomon
> --
> Solomon Peachy                         pizza at shaftnet dot org
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> Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
>
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Although there is much I agree with in your sentiment ... in the interests
of accuracy Fedora does still ship MySQL ... it's just that MariaDB is the
default MySQL implementation and for the other project you need to install
community-mysql-server ...

See:

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/AQ22LFOCCQ2YX4CUHQNJFDFZSMHWAT72/#AQ22LFOCCQ2YX4CUHQNJFDFZSMHWAT72

Also these:

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/7WGR2LUCJFZJZN7VOQRCI2BBCVDZREQV/#7WGR2LUCJFZJZN7VOQRCI2BBCVDZREQV

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/UJHTC3C5GVFVBQICBH2PKMSSOCVIK3HC/#VSLHOZS57NZKORUECMH5EUONCWHO2VHA
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