On 05/29/2016 05:14 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Paul Wouters <p...@nohats.ca> wrote:
> 
>> If there is a systematic
>> problem of badly written code leaving orphaned code running when
>> a user logs out, then that broken code should be fixed instead of
>> adding another layer of process management. systemd is not capable
>> of interpreting the user's intent.
> 
> That isn't working. Users are constantly running into restart and
> shutdown delays. Troubleshooting this to find out what process is
> holding things up is totally non-obvious. Identifying the process is
> half the problem, and then getting it fixed and released to Fedora can
> be months, by which time some other process is affected.

But the delays in system shutdown/restart were introduced by systemd in the
first place.  I would argue that these delays are much too long.

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