On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 19:20:25 +0200 Laszlo Ersek <ler...@redhat.com> wrote:
> On 09/03/19 16:53, Igor Mammedov wrote: > > On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 21:09:58 +0200 > > Laszlo Ersek <ler...@redhat.com> wrote: > > > >> On 09/02/19 10:45, Igor Mammedov wrote: > >>> On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 20:46:14 +0200 > >>> Laszlo Ersek <ler...@redhat.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 08/30/19 16:48, Igor Mammedov wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> (01) On boot firmware maps and initializes SMI handler at default > >>>>> SMBASE (30000) > >>>>> (using dedicated SMRAM at 30000 would allow us to avoid > >>>>> save/restore > >>>>> steps and make SMM handler pointer not vulnerable to DMA attacks) > >>>>> > >>>>> (02) QEMU hotplugs a new CPU in reset-ed state and sends SCI > >>>>> > >>>>> (03) on receiving SCI, host CPU calls GPE cpu hotplug handler > >>>>> which writes to IO port 0xB2 (broadcast SMI) > >>>>> > >>>>> (04) firmware waits for all existing CPUs rendezvous in SMM mode, > >>>>> new CPU(s) have SMI pending but does nothing yet > >>>>> > >>>>> (05) host CPU wakes up one new CPU (INIT-INIT-SIPI) > >>>>> SIPI vector points to RO flash HLT loop. > >>>>> (how host CPU will know which new CPUs to relocate? > >>>>> possibly reuse QEMU CPU hotplug MMIO interface???) > >>>>> > >>>>> (06) new CPU does relocation. > >>>>> (in case of attacker sends SIPI to several new CPUs, > >>>>> open question how to detect collision of several CPUs at the same > >>>>> default SMBASE) > >>>>> > >>>>> (07) once new CPU relocated host CPU completes initialization, returns > >>>>> from IO port write and executes the rest of GPE handler, telling OS > >>>>> to online new CPU. > >>>> > >>>> In step (03), it is the OS that handles the SCI; it transfers control to > >>>> ACPI. The AML can write to IO port 0xB2 only because the OS allows it. > >>>> > >>>> If the OS decides to omit that step, and sends an INIT-SIPI-SIPI > >>>> directly to the new CPU, can it steal the CPU? > >>> It sure can but this way it won't get access to privileged SMRAM > >>> so OS can't subvert firmware. > >>> The next time SMI broadcast is sent the CPU will use SMI handler at > >>> default 30000 SMBASE. It's up to us to define behavior here (for example > >>> relocation handler can put such CPU in shutdown state). > >>> > >>> It's in the best interest of OS to cooperate and execute AML > >>> provided by firmware, if it does not follow proper cpu hotplug flow > >>> we can't guarantee that stolen CPU will work. > >> > >> This sounds convincing enough, for the hotplugged CPU; thanks. > >> > >> So now my concern is with step (01). While preparing for the initial > >> relocation (of cold-plugged CPUs), the code assumes the memory at the > >> default SMBASE (0x30000) is normal RAM. > >> > >> Is it not a problem that the area is written initially while running in > >> normal 32-bit or 64-bit mode, but then executed (in response to the > >> first, synchronous, SMI) as SMRAM? > > > > currently there is no SMRAM at 0x30000, so all access falls through > > into RAM address space and we are about to change that. > > > > but firmware doesn't have to use it as RAM, it can check if QEMU > > supports SMRAM at 0x30000 and if supported map it to configure > > and then lock it down. > > I'm sure you are *technically* right, but you seem to be assuming that I > can modify or rearrange anything I want in edk2. :) yep, I'm looking at it from theoretical perspective so far, but what could be done in reality might be limited. > If we can solve the above in OVMF platform code, that's great. If not > (e.g. UefiCpuPkg code needs to be updated), then things will get tricky. > If we can introduce another platform hook for this, that would help. I > can't say before I try. > > > > > > > >> Basically I'm confused by the alias. > >> > >> TSEG (and presumably, A/B seg) work like this: > >> - when open, looks like RAM to normal mode and SMM > >> - when closed, looks like black-hole to normal mode, and like RAM to SMM > >> > >> The generic edk2 code knows this, and manages the SMRAM areas accordingly. > >> > >> The area at 0x30000 is different: > >> - looks like RAM to both normal mode and SMM > >> > >> If we set up the alias at 0x30000 into A/B seg, > >> - will that *permanently* hide the normal RAM at 0x30000? > >> - will 0x30000 start behaving like A/B seg? > >> > >> Basically my concern is that the universal code in edk2 might or might > >> not keep A/B seg open while initially populating the area at the default > >> SMBASE. Specifically, I can imagine two issues: > >> > >> - if the alias into A/B seg is inactive during the initial population, > >> then the initial writes go to RAM, but the execution (the first SMBASE > >> relocation) will occur from A/B seg through the alias > >> > >> - alternatively, if the alias is always active, but A/B seg is closed > >> during initial population (which happens in normal mode), then the > >> initial writes go to the black hole, and execution will occur from a > >> "blank" A/B seg. > >> > >> Am I seeing things? (Sorry, I keep feeling dumber and dumber in this > >> thread.) > > > > I don't really know how firmware uses A/B segments and I'm afraid that > > cannibalizing one for configuring 0x30000 might break something. > > > > Since we are inventing something out of q35 spec anyway, How about > > leaving A/B/TSEG to be and using fwcfg to configure when/where > > SMRAM(0x30000+128K) should be mapped into RAM address space. > > > > I see a couple of options: > > 1: use identity mapping where SMRAM(0x30000+128K) maps into the same > > range in RAM address space when firmware writes into fwcfg > > file and unmaps/locks on the second write (until HW reset) > > 2: let firmware choose where to map SMRAM(0x30000+128K) in RAM address > > space, logic is essentially the same as above only firmware > > picks and writes into fwcfg an address where SMRAM(0x30000+128K) > > should be mapped. > > Option#1 would be similar to how TSEG works now, correct? IOW normal RAM > (from the QEMU perspective) is exposed as "SMRAM" to the guest, hidden > with a "black hole" overlay (outside of SMM) if SMRAM is closed. it could be stolen RAM + black hole like TSEG, assuming fw can live without RAM(0x30000+128K) range (in this case fwcfg interface would only work for locking down the range) or we can actually have a dedicated SMRAM (like in my earlier RFC), in this case FW can use RAM(0x30000+128K) when SMRAM isn't mapped into RAM address space (in this case fwcfg would be used to temporarily map SMRAM into normal RAM and unmap/lock after SMI relocation handler was initialized). If possible I'd prefer a simpler TSEG like variant. > > If that's correct, then #1 looks more attractive to me than #2. > > Thanks > Laszlo > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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