I was replying to this - 

> "I don’t think this is any different from allowing SPDY or HTTP/2 to mark 
> their transactions as non-internal."

Marking Spdy/H2 as non-internal works because of the special handling done via 
FetchSM. With the proposed new API, you are intending to mark plugin generated 
requests as non-internal. My point is that it'd likely cause issues. I'll try 
to find some time to dig and provide specifics.


> On Sep 7, 2016, at 7:38 PM, James Peach <jpe...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Sudheer Vinukonda 
>> <sudheervinuko...@yahoo.com.INVALID> wrote:
>> 
>> Spdy/H2 are different - they also have a stream flag set which is handled 
>> differently in FetchSM.
> 
> This proposal doesn’t touch FetchSM, since the TSFetchUrl API is not 
> extensible in any meaningful way (I’d argue it is totally broken). Are you 
> referring to the TS_FETCH_FLAGS_STREAM flag? That doesn’t apply here because 
> there’s no API change for TSFetchUrl.
> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 6:27 PM, James Peach <jpe...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Sudheer Vinukonda 
>>>> <sudheervinuko...@yahoo.com.INVALID> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Can you describe the real purpose of allowing to change if a transaction 
>>>> is external/internal - for example, is it merely for recording/metrics or 
>>>> is it for a more significant functional purpose?
>>> 
>>> It is both. If a request is logically from a client then the @internal 
>>> remap.config filter should deny, the stale_while_revalidate plugin should 
>>> not ignore it, and it should be generally treated as if the protocol plugin 
>>> did not intermediate. “internal” carries the string connotation that this 
>>> is a trusted or special transaction, which is not true for protocol plugins.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Atleast, in the current implementation, allowing arbitrary control of the 
>>>> internal state of a txn sounds dangerous to me - I recall some funky 
>>>> handling of some headers (Connection/Keep Alive) and some special handling 
>>>> for POST method etc. This API may expose problems from that code.
>>> 
>>> I don’t think this is any different from allowing SPDY or HTTP/2 to mark 
>>> their transactions as non-internal.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Sudheer
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 5:24 PM, James Peach <jpe...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> It is common to write protocol plugins that accept a non-HTTP protocol 
>>>>> and generate HTTP request using TSHttpConnectWithPluginId(). In this 
>>>>> case, although the HTTP transaction is technically an internal 
>>>>> transaction, it is logically external since it is generated directly on 
>>>>> behalf of clients. To address this, I'd like to propose an API to allow 
>>>>> plugins to toggle whether a transaction is considered internal or not.
>>>>> 
>>>>> tsapi void TSVConnInternalSet(TSVConn connp, int internal);
>>>>> 
>>>>> The sample usage is straightforward:
>>>>> 
>>>>> TSVConn vc = TSHttpConnectWithPluginId(addr, "plugin-name", 0);
>>>>> TSVConnInternalSet(vc, false);
>>>>> 
>>>>> The corresponding implementation is 
>>>>> https://github.com/apache/trafficserver/pull/986 and the Jira ticket is 
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TS-4825. I'll add a manual page 
>>>>> before committing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>> James
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