On Nov 19, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Nick Kew wrote:

> 
> On 19 Nov 2010, at 13:24, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> 
>> Hmmm... use of IRC as a development process is not recommended.
>> Even if logged and posted, it still, by its very nature, excludes
>> people due to timezone differences and the like. Occasional
>> uses of IRC (and other more "real-time" events like f2f and
>> hackathons) are OK but rare.
>> 
>> Having an "official" one is not how ASF projects should be run.
>> 
>> I vote a very strong -1
> 
> Someone should tell that to the ASF membership, who use IRC as the
> medium for the twice-yearly general meetings!
> 

Twice yearly for a member's meeting is a compromise. Comparing
that to weekly development meetings is apples and oranges.

> IRC is a *great* medium to meet up.  Sure, timezones and peoples
> commitments can be an issue, but they needn't be a showstopper.

By definition, they are. Again, occasional use of irc is
fine, but official weekly irc meetings where lots of dev
work is done is a slipper slope that has problems.

This is Apache 101

> It's certainly a lot more accessible and inclusive than face-to-face
> events involving travel!
> 
> It seems this meeting has already taken the trouble to seek a time
> convenient to everyone interested, so where's the problem?
> If that were to prove impossible, that's a bridge to cross when we
> come to it, whether through a compromise like variable times,
> or through abandoning the idea altogether.  But let's not dismiss
> a medium just because of what *might* happen!
> 
> -- 
> Nick Kew
> 

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