On 03/18/2010 03:48 PM, Nick Kew wrote:
2) We keep the bare minimum Yahoo members (we'd have to decide who, but most
likely only 2 people would stay), and then proceed with the incubation process,
and the Yahoos who wish to come back will go through the normal process.
There might be mileage in going through all initial committers to evaluate who
among them
has been making significant contributions, just to identify whether there's
someone at Yahoo
who was formerly active on the project but has moved on. But it would be
perverse to drop
active folks just to meet some formal hurdle.
FWIW, I was concerned about (low) diversity, but our chat yesterday reassured
me when
you identified some of the most active contributors as non-yahoos.
That's been my assumption too, I felt we'd built a very active and
diverse community, but apparently not so. I followed the guidelines at
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community
which does not specify any requirements for 50% etc., I'm not sure how
or why there are two different graduation guidelines, the other being
the Wiki page Mladen showed, which I hadn't seen until now (and I
apologize for that).
For those who haven't looked at the "contributions" statistics, I'd say
it's fair to say that >50% of all contributions are from non-yahoo
employeed people, and this the the documentation changes (which is 100%
yahoo). Taking documentation out of the equation, the ratio is much higher.
What is skewed is the ratio of Yahoo committers and PMC members, which I
think we are willing to eliminate. I'm just not sure how to do that
fairly... :/
As for option #2, the Yahoo people would decide together who should stay,
That would be a backward step too. Decisions happen on-list at apache.
Agreed. I think in this very special case, so if it comes to stepping
down, it ought to be up to us to decide who has to do it? I'd obviously
volunteer and step down here, to let the project progress, and I think
several of us are willing to do the same, to get the ratio of Y! vs
non-yahoo down.
I heard there might be a third option in the makings with a different
PMC chair, which I of course won't oppose. My concern would be how that
solution affects the community as a whole, but that is obviously up to
the community to decide. And whatever we decide, I'll support.
Thanks,
-- leif
