It seems like some subscribers haven't read the bible of suckless yet. http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/ and http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/xml/
On 10/20/13, Szymon Olewniczak <szymon.olewnic...@rid.pl> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 01:02:34AM +0200, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote: >> Evan Buswell said: >> > But OTOH, I do like the idea of separating the translation-to-html bit >> > from the generate-sensible-output bit. XSLT may have done this poorly, >> > but it's on the right track (and what else works better for this, Awk? >> > Perl? m4?). I mean, I take the point that we can't really make the web >> > stack all that much better, but at least we can containerize suck? >> > Yes? >> >> Containerize suck of web stack? It is already containerized in browsers >> - choose the one that sucks less. >> >> See, the problem with web stack are not somewhere between the stack and >> the rest of your software and data. You readily may have your data in >> whatever format you want and share it via whatever protocol you like. >> Eg. you may have a bunch of JSON files accessible via their URLs as they >> are and via werc (or your custom CGI script) as HTML. The problem with >> web stack is the ugliness of web stack itself, and there is no >> workaround for that. > But think that we need to find something between. If we develop our > own window manager on top of X11(which itself isn't very suckless), its > useful beouse it uses X11 (something that is standrad now) and it let us > use all X11 apps in a less sucky way. > > So I think that saying - all "modern web" sucks(which is right in fact) - > let's make something completly diffirent is like saying - X11 > sucks, let's create something that can replace it. > > I'm serching for something similar as dwm in the web services world. > We cannnot force everyone to use something diffirent than HTML and HTTP > becouse noone want a huge revolution(users, web browsers and http > servers developers). But maybe we can use this tools to create something > less sucky, something that would make the web a better place. > > I don't want to starting a new project that will make the web > worst place. I believe that web developdent can be done better rigth now and > > I want to show that it's possible. > > BR, > Szymon > >
