On Fri, May 22, 2026 at 1:57 PM Branko Čibej <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 22. 5. 26 19:48, Daniel Sahlberg wrote: > > fre 22 maj 2026 kl. 19:39 skrev Branko Čibej <[email protected]>: > >> On 22. 5. 26 19:11, Timofei Zhakov wrote: >> >> >>> Show me where I broke trunk for 6 months and which release I delayed. >>> Please do. Then tell me again about the toxic environment. >>> >>> >>> >> r1925717, 1.15.0. >> >> >> You'll have to do better than that. I expect you to put a lot more effort >> into explaining: >> >> >> 1. How did I break trunk if trunk tests have been passing since that >> commit? >> 2. How did I delay 1.15.0 when we don't even have a viable release >> candidate -- *regardless* of whether or not we agree about the changes in >> that commit? >> 3. Last, but not even close to least: how did I delay a release that >> doesn't have a set release date? >> >> >> If you're going to throw around accusations like that, you'd better have >> rock-solid arguments prepared. I'm sure you do, so let's see them. >> >> -- Brane >> > > Gentlemen, > > This is enough. I cannot possibly see how further discussion will benefit > the community. > > > > No. > > Timofei accused me, personally, in public, of intentionally "or through > inaction" causing harm to the project. I'm not going to stand for this. He > can either present his arguments in detail right here on the same list > where he accused me, or he can apologise, also publicly, also on the same > list. > > I won't have this swept under the rug again and then wait patiently for > his next inappropriate outburst. I'm not interested in another round of > private messages and hidden diplomacy. > > -- Brane > > I will say right here that I didn't see any ill intent on Brane's part when he said that the change in this revision was broken, or words to that effect. He was talking about the change, not about Timofei. It was *not* a personal attack. If, as Timofei points out, we use Commit Then Review (CTR), then when one makes a commit, one should expect that it might result in reciews, and those reviews might include comments, suggestions, nitpicking, frustration, and all the other things that might be found in a review. Now it's not lost on me that around the same time as this change, there was a contentious discussion on the APR dev list, in which Brane and Timofei disagreed on a technical subject, and some of that might have spilled over here. But I also remember quite clearly that in that same APR thread, Brane came to Timofei's defense very strongly when someone else on that list resorted to personal attacks. So, I'm trying to say this in the most sympathetic way possible, because I'm not here to beat anyone up. I think Timofei is brilliant and I appreciate the talent and energy that he brings here. At the same time I really think he needs to improve his responses to disagreements and constructive criticism. The response in this case was counterproductive, to say the least. And I agree that an apology is appropriate here -- and after that apology is rendered, I hope this matter will be considered closed and not repeat again in the future. No holding grudges! Thank you, Nathan
