On Sun, May 5, 2024 at 4:27 AM <dsahlb...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Author: dsahlberg
> Date: Sun May  5 08:27:07 2024
> New Revision: 1917512
>
> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1917512&view=rev
> Log:
> In site/staging:
>
> Remove references to the IRC channels
>
> * contributing.html, docs/community-guide/conventions.part.html,
>   docs/community-guide/general.part.html,
>   docs/community-guide/how-to-roll-releases-in-private.txt,
>   docs/community-guide/issues.part.html,
>   docs/community-guide/releasing.part.html, faq.ja.html,
>   faq.zh.html
>   (various sections): As above
>
> * faq.html
>   (more-information): As above
>   (irc): New section explaining why the IRC channels disappeared
>
> Discussed on dev@
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/pjxppcnt1b5zcbph3181hlb56rbo77wf
>
>
>
> Modified:
>     subversion/site/staging/contributing.html
>     subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/conventions.part.html
>     subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/general.part.html
>     
> subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/how-to-roll-releases-in-private.txt
>     subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/issues.part.html
>     subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/releasing.part.html
>     subversion/site/staging/faq.html
>     subversion/site/staging/faq.ja.html
>     subversion/site/staging/faq.zh.html
>
> Modified: subversion/site/staging/contributing.html
> URL: 
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/subversion/site/staging/contributing.html?rev=1917512&r1=1917511&r2=1917512&view=diff
> ==============================================================================
> --- subversion/site/staging/contributing.html (original)
> +++ subversion/site/staging/contributing.html Sun May  5 08:27:07 2024
> @@ -43,7 +43,7 @@
>  <ul>
>  <li><p style="font-weight: bold;">Participate in the mailing lists</p>
>      <p>There are <a 
> href="https://subversion.apache.org/faq#more-information";>
> -       mailing lists, IRC channels and forums</a>
> +       mailing lists</a>
>         you can join to discuss Subversion. These are an
>         excellent source for users and contributors interested in
>         having technical discussions, answering questions, or resolving
>
> Modified: subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/conventions.part.html
> URL: 
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/conventions.part.html?rev=1917512&r1=1917511&r2=1917512&view=diff
> ==============================================================================
> --- subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/conventions.part.html 
> (original)
> +++ subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/conventions.part.html Sun 
> May  5 08:27:07 2024
> @@ -893,12 +893,8 @@ necessary. </p>
>  </li>
>  </ul>
>
> -<p> This not only helps put developers in the right frame of mind for
> -reading the rest of the log message, but also plays well with the
> -"ASFBot" bot that echoes the first line of each commit to realtime
> -forums like IRC.  (For details, see
> -<a href="https://wilderness.apache.org/";>https://wilderness.apache.org/</a>
> -)</p>
> +<p> This helps put developers in the right frame of mind for
> +reading the rest of the log message.</p>
>
>  <p> If the commit is just one simple change to one file, then you can
>  dispense with the general description and simply go straight to the
>
> Modified: subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/general.part.html
> URL: 
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/general.part.html?rev=1917512&r1=1917511&r2=1917512&view=diff
> ==============================================================================
> --- subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/general.part.html (original)
> +++ subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/general.part.html Sun May  5 
> 08:27:07 2024
> @@ -20,20 +20,9 @@ A number of Subversion's developers are
>  improve Subversion, while many others are simply excellent volunteers
>  who are interested in building a better version control system.</p>
>
> -<p>The community exists mainly through IRC, mailing lists and a
> +<p>The community exists mainly through mailing lists and a
>  Subversion repository.  To participate:</p>
>
> -<ul>
> -<li>
> -<p>Join us on irc.libera.chat in the #svn-dev channel (use the
> -<a href="https://web.libera.chat/?channel=#svn-dev";>web interface</a> or
> -<a href="https://matrix.to/#/#svn-dev:libera.chat";>Matrix</a> or
> -any IRC software; archived
> -<a href="https://colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_logs/svn-dev";>here</a>).
> -
> -</p>
> -</li>
> -
>  <li><p>Join the "dev", "commits", and "announce" mailing lists.
>         The dev list, dev@subversion.apache.org, is where almost all
>         discussion takes place.  All development questions should go
> @@ -685,17 +674,15 @@ have an <tt>svn</tt> client, <a href="/d
>  tarball</a>.)</p>
>
>  <p>If your patch implements a new feature, or changes large amounts of code,
> -please remember to discuss it on the dev@ list first.  (IRC on #svn-dev is 
> also
> -appropriate for quick feedback before&mdash;but not instead of&mdash;mailing
> -list discussion.  If you ask on IRC, please wait some time for a response, as
> -not everyone is online all the time (particularly on weekends).)  That is so
> +please remember to discuss it on the dev@ list first.  Please wait some time
> +for a response, as not everyone is online all the time.  That is so
>  the community can express concerns with and suggest improvements for the
>  proposed feature or implementation details as soon as possible&mdash;it is
>  always better for all parties if that feedback is provided sooner (even 
> before
>  any code is written) rather than later.</p>
>
>  <p>If you have any questions about the patch, please feel free to ask them on
> -IRC or dev@.</p>
> +dev@.</p>
>
>  </div> <!-- patches-writing -->
>
>
> Modified: 
> subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/how-to-roll-releases-in-private.txt
> URL: 
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/how-to-roll-releases-in-private.txt?rev=1917512&r1=1917511&r2=1917512&view=diff
> ==============================================================================
> --- 
> subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/how-to-roll-releases-in-private.txt
>  (original)
> +++ 
> subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/how-to-roll-releases-in-private.txt
>  Sun May  5 08:27:07 2024
> @@ -66,8 +66,6 @@ To post the release:
>    and ensure the results are no more than a second apart.  This ensures you
>    will not announce before the end of the embargo.
>
> -- Join IRC so the other committers can easily report any problems to you.
> -
>  - At the designated end of the embargo, upload and announce the release as 
> usual.
>
>    + Upload:
>
> Modified: subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/issues.part.html
> URL: 
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/issues.part.html?rev=1917512&r1=1917511&r2=1917512&view=diff
> ==============================================================================
> --- subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/issues.part.html (original)
> +++ subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/issues.part.html Sun May  5 
> 08:27:07 2024
> @@ -79,10 +79,7 @@ a common-sense thing, like Subversion ju
>  caused smoke to pour out of your monitor, then you can trust your
>  judgement.  But if you're not sure, go ahead and ask on the users
>  mailing list first, <a href="mailto:us...@subversion.apache.org";
> ->us...@subversion.apache.org</a>, or ask in IRC, <a
> -href="irc://irc.libera.chat/#svn">irc.libera.chat, channel #svn</a> (
> -<a href="https://web.libera.chat/?channel=#svn";>web interface</a> or
> -<a href="https://matrix.to/#/#svn:libera.chat";>Matrix</a>).</p>
> +>us...@subversion.apache.org</a>.</p>
>
>  <p>You should
>  also <a href="/reporting-issues.html#queries"
>
> Modified: subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/releasing.part.html
> URL: 
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/releasing.part.html?rev=1917512&r1=1917511&r2=1917512&view=diff
> ==============================================================================
> --- subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/releasing.part.html 
> (original)
> +++ subversion/site/staging/docs/community-guide/releasing.part.html Sun May  
> 5 08:27:07 2024
> @@ -763,7 +763,7 @@ haven't voted on, like this:</p>
>  <p><a href="<!--#echo var="GUIDE_ROLES_PAGE" -->#obvious-fix">Obvious 
> fixes</a>
>  do not require '(rX only)' to be mentioned.</p>
>
> -<p>If you commit someone else's vote that was communicated via IRC or other
> +<p>If you commit someone else's vote that was communicated via other
>  means, note that in your log message.</p>
>
>  </div> <!-- release-stabilization-how-to-edit -->
> @@ -1054,7 +1054,7 @@ Thanks!
>  Update the issue tracker to have appropriate versions/milestones</a>.  If
>  releasing a new minor release a version for 1.MINOR.x should be added.  All
>  releases should add a version for the next release (i.e. 1.MINOR.x+1).  If
> -you do not have permissions to do so please ask on IRC or send an email to
> +you do not have permissions to do so please send an email to
>  the dev@ list.</p>
>
>  </div> <!-- rolling-release -->
> @@ -1421,9 +1421,6 @@ rejection to the dev@ mailing list so th
>  needs to be done about it. (If necessary, announce@ mailing list moderators 
> can
>  be contacted via the announce-owner@ handle.)</p>
>
> -<p>Update the topics in various Subversion-related IRC channels, such as
> -<tt>#svn</tt> and <tt>#svn-dev</tt> on libera.chat.</p>
> -
>  <p>If this is an X.Y.0 release, update the community support level at the 
> very
>  top of the <tt>STATUS</tt> files of any branches that have changed support
>  status.  This would usually be <tt>X.Y.x/STATUS</tt>,
>
> Modified: subversion/site/staging/faq.html
> URL: 
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/subversion/site/staging/faq.html?rev=1917512&r1=1917511&r2=1917512&view=diff
> ==============================================================================
> --- subversion/site/staging/faq.html (original)
> +++ subversion/site/staging/faq.html Sun May  5 08:27:07 2024
> @@ -63,6 +63,7 @@ For older questions, see <a href="#depre
>      get more information?</a></li>
>  <li><a href="#moderation">Why isn't my post showing up on the mailing
>      list?</a></li>
> +<li><a href="#irc">Where are the IRC channels?</a></li>
>  <li><a href="#dst-2007">How is Subversion affected by changes
>      in Daylight Savings Time (DST)?</a></li>
>  <li><a href="#shattered-sha1">How is Subversion affected by SHA-1 hash
> @@ -713,14 +714,6 @@ other resources available:</p>
>        (<a href="mailing-lists.html">full details</a> including
>        public archives, subscribe, unsubscribe;
>        <a href="#moderation">moderated</a>)</li>
> -  <li>The Subversion Users <b>IRC channel</b> #svn on irc.libera.chat (use
> -      the <a href="https://web.libera.chat/?channel=#svn";>web interface</a> 
> or
> -      <a href="https://matrix.to/#/#svn:libera.chat";>Matrix</a> or
> -      any IRC software; archived
> -      <a href="https://colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_logs/svn";>here</a>).
> -      (The IRC channel was hosted on freenode.net until May 2021. It may 
> still exist
> -      but it is no longer recognized as an official channel.)
> -      </li>
>  </ul>
>
>  </div>
> @@ -742,6 +735,23 @@ again.</p>
>
>  </div>
>
> +<div class="h3" id="irc">
> +<h3>Where are the IRC channels?
> +  <a class="sectionlink" href="#irc"
> +    title="Link to this section">&para;</a>
> +</h3>
> +
> +<p>Previously there were official IRC channels #svn and #svn-dev on
> +freenode.net (until May 2021) and on irc.libera.chat (from May 2021). Due to
> +the low number of participants, we no longer recommend using these channels
> +for support and/or development questions.</p>
> +
> +<p>Archives are available
> + <a href="https://colabti.org/irclogger/irclogger_logs/svn";>here</a>.
> +</p>
> +
> +</div>
> +
>  <div class="h3" id="dst-2007">
>  <h3>How is Subversion affected by changes in Daylight Savings Time (DST)?
>    <a class="sectionlink" href="#dst-2007"
>
> Modified: subversion/site/staging/faq.ja.html
> URL: 
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/subversion/site/staging/faq.ja.html?rev=1917512&r1=1917511&r2=1917512&view=diff
> ==============================================================================
> --- subversion/site/staging/faq.ja.html [utf-8] (original)
> +++ subversion/site/staging/faq.ja.html [utf-8] Sun May  5 08:27:07 2024
> @@ -463,7 +463,6 @@ Win32システムには、シンボリ�
>    <li><a href="mailing-lists.html">Subversion ユーザーズメイリングリスト</a> (<a 
> href="mailto:us...@subversion.apache.org";>us...@subversion.apache.org</a>)
>         &mdash; 注意: このメイリングリストは<a 
> href="#moderation">モデレータ制</a>だから、あなたの投稿が配送されるまでには、少し遅延があるかも。</li>
>    <li><a href="https://svn.haxx.se/users/";>Subversion ユーザーズリストのアーカイブ</a></li>
> -  <li>IRC。irc.libera.chat の #svn チャンネルにて。</li>
>  </ul>
>
>  </div>
>
> Modified: subversion/site/staging/faq.zh.html
> URL: 
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/subversion/site/staging/faq.zh.html?rev=1917512&r1=1917511&r2=1917512&view=diff
> ==============================================================================
> --- subversion/site/staging/faq.zh.html [utf-8] (original)
> +++ subversion/site/staging/faq.zh.html [utf-8] Sun May  5 08:27:07 2024
> @@ -443,7 +443,6 @@ href="http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/tr
>         >us...@subversion.apache.org</a>)
>         &mdash; 注意这个列表需要经过<a href="#moderation">审核</a>,所以在显示之前有一些延迟。</li>
>    <li><a href="https://svn.haxx.se/users/";>Subversion用户信息列表。</a></li>
> -  <li>在线聊天系统(IRC)在irc.libera.chat的#svn频道。</li>
>  </ul>
>
>  </div>
>
>


Looks good to me! +1 to merge to publish whenever you're ready.

Thanks for taking care of this!

Cheers,
Nathan

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