On 04.01.2018 02:48, Troy Curtis Jr wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 3:12 AM Branko Čibej <br...@apache.org
> <mailto:br...@apache.org>> wrote:
>
>     On 31.12.2017 03:05, Troy Curtis Jr wrote:
>     >
>     >     This all makes sense and seems nice on the surface, but I'm not
>     >     sure we
>     >     can just change the behaviour of the bindings from old-style to
>     >     new-style classes in a Python 2.x build. There are enough subtle
>     >     differences in behaviour between the two that existing
>     scripts could
>     >     break after an upgrade of the bindings.
>     >
>     >     Python 3.x has only new-style (or rather, even-newer-style)
>     >     classes and
>     >     there's no backward-compatibility consideration, since our
>     bindings
>     >     currently don't work with Python3.
>     >
>     >
>     > That is a reasonable concern.  I definitely preferred the cleaner
>     > single implementation, but honestly the code necessary to
>     continue to
>     > use classic classes in python 2 is not large.  I've attached a
>     working
>     > patch for reference/discussion.  It is a bit more code and some
>     > conditional definitions, but perhaps it is the more preferred course
>     > to take?
>     >
>     > [[[
>     > On branch swig-py3: Go back to using classic classes for Python
>     2 swig
>     > bindings.
>     >
>     > Add some additional clarifying comments for the reasons behind
>     overriding
>     > __getattr__ and __getattribute__.
>     >
>     > * build/ac-macros/swig.m4
>     >   (SVN_FIND_SWIG): Add the '-classic' flag to swig when python 2 is
>     > detected.
>     >
>     > * subversion/bindings/swig/include/proxy.py
>     >    (_retrieve_swig_value): Factor out metadata retrieval from
>     > __getattribute__ to a new function.  
>     >    (__getattribute__): Only define __getattribute__ for new
>     style classes.
>     >    (__getattr__): Add back implementation for classic classes.
>     > ]]]
>     >
>     > Troy
>
>     [...]
>
>     > +· # SWIG classes generated with -classic do not define this
>     variable,
>     > +· # so set it to 0 when it doesn't exist
>     > +· try: _newclass
>     > +· except NameError: _newclass = 0
>
>     I prefer to break the try/except blocks onto separate lines, and
>     to use
>     None for the tristate idiom value:
>
>         try:
>           _newclass
>         except NameError:
>           _newclass = None
>
>
> Using None here is certainly more Pythonic, but in this case I was
> trying to match up with what swig generates:
>
>  try:
>    _object = object
>    _newclass = 1
>  except __builtin__.Exception:
>    class _object:
>      pass
>    _newclass = 0
>
> In this case we only need the _newclass variable defined, and not the
> "empty" class definition.  In all the conditional cases which use that
> value, either way should work, but I think it is likely better to
> stick with 0 for consistency in this case.
>
> However, I can understand the formatting request.
>
> Other than that, is the consensus that we should continue with classic
> classes in Python 2 with the conditional logic, or use a common
> implementation for the python2/python3 code like is currently in the
> swig-py3 branch?

The differences between old-style and new-style classes is tricky.
Offhand I can think of differences in invocation of base class
constructors, for example. I'd say leave old style classes for Python 2
precisely because the change would not be 100% backwards compatible.

-- Brane

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