What are the main use cases you've seen for this? Maybe we can add a page to 
the docs about how to launch Spark as an embedded library.

Matei

> On Oct 10, 2016, at 10:21 AM, Russell Spitzer <russell.spit...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I actually had not seen SparkLauncher before, that looks pretty great :)
> 
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 10:17 AM Russell Spitzer <russell.spit...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:russell.spit...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I'm definitely only talking about non-embedded uses here as I also use 
> embedded Spark (cassandra, and kafka) to run tests. This is almost always 
> safe since everything is in the same JVM. It's only once we get to launching 
> against a real distributed env do we end up with issues.
> 
> Since Pyspark uses spark submit in the java gateway i'm not sure if that 
> matters :)
> 
> The cases I see are usually usually going through main directly, adding jars 
> programatically. 
> 
> Usually ends up with classpath errors (Spark not on the CP, their jar not on 
> the CP, dependencies not on the cp), 
> conf errors (executors have the incorrect environment, executor classpath 
> broken, not understanding spark-defaults won't do anything),
> Jar version mismatches
> Etc ...
> 
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 10:05 AM Sean Owen <so...@cloudera.com 
> <mailto:so...@cloudera.com>> wrote:
> I have also 'embedded' a Spark driver without much trouble. It isn't that it 
> can't work. 
> 
> The Launcher API is ptobably the recommended way to do that though. 
> spark-submit is the way to go for non programmatic access. 
> 
> If you're not doing one of those things and it is not working, yeah I think 
> people would tell you you're on your own. I think that's consistent with all 
> the JIRA discussions I have seen over time. 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016, 17:33 Russell Spitzer <russell.spit...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:russell.spit...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I've seen a variety of users attempting to work around using Spark Submit 
> with at best middling levels of success. I think it would be helpful if the 
> project had a clear statement that submitting an application without using 
> Spark Submit is truly for experts only or is unsupported entirely.
> 
> I know this is a pretty strong stance and other people have had different 
> experiences than me so please let me know what you think :)

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