Hi

I think we could remove one level or even two.

Have at first level

MIGRATE AN EXISTING APPLICATION  (instead of inside CREATE AN APPLICATION
<https://apache.github.io/royale-docs/create-an-application/create-an-application>
 )

then MIGRATE FROM FLEX
<https://apache.github.io/royale-docs/create-an-application/create-an-application/migrate-an-existing-app/migrate-from-flex.html>
 (nested)

And inside this we can add other entries to help that migration.


We still don't have anything about MX / SPARK emulation components in docs,
so more info should be added if we want to make it people use it.

just my 2

Carlos




El mar., 8 oct. 2019 a las 19:00, Andrew Wetmore (<[email protected]>)
escribió:

> Really good suggestions, @Alex Harui <[email protected]> . I could add text
> and links to the "migrating" page based on what you outlined. I can get
> that done sometime this week, but am not going to jump on it today in case
> the conversation continues and an enhanced idea bubbles up.
>
> Andrew
>
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 12:48 PM Alex Harui <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm going to try to address all of Chris Velevitch's several threads from
> > today in this response.
> >
> > We have a page on Migrating Flex Apps here:
> >
> https://apache.github.io/royale-docs/create-an-application/migrate-an-existing-app/migrate-from-flex.html
> > But it is hard to find (took me several clicks to find it).  And it
> > doesn't address the questions that I think Chris is asking, which are:
> >
> > -Which component sets should I use?
> > -After I choose a component set, how do I figure out how something that
> > worked in Flex works in that component set?
> >
> > We've offered Chris the opportunity to help with the doc, which would be
> > great, but I'd settle for having Chris and others simply add the kinds of
> > questions they have so we can add them to our FAQ and/or the docs.
> >
> > We may need to make it easier for Chris and others to decide on component
> > sets first.  The way I think of it now, the trade offs are:
> > A) I need the result to be as small and fast as possible and have time to
> > rewrite the UI -> Use Basic and Strands and Beads
> > B) I want to rewrite the UI to get a more modern look-and-feel -> Use
> Jewel
> > C) I want to touch as little code as possible -> Use MXRoyale and
> > SparkRoyale.
> >
> > If you choose C, you should not have to know anything about Strands and
> > Beads.  MXRoyale and SparkRoyale should hide that from you.  Skinning
> > should work like it used to.  Your app will not be as small and fast as
> if
> > you spend more time rewriting it to Basic or Jewel, but TourDeFlex seems
> to
> > be running ok.  As Alina and Pashmina finish up, we'll see how a really
> big
> > Flex migration performs in Royale.
> >
> > It has taken them longer than expected, but for every bug or missing
> > feature that is emulated correctly, the time to migrate for the next
> person
> > goes down.  And as 2019 becomes 2020, there will be less time to migrate
> > for some folks, so having more people on the emulation helps everyone
> else.
> >
> > So, we should figure out where to place information like this so Chris
> and
> > others find it more easily.  Once a component set/migration strategy is
> > chosen, it focuses a lot of other questions, such as how to do skinning,
> or
> > how much about Strands and Beads you have to know.  In fact, it would be
> > great to find a place to recommend to folks that when they write to us
> with
> > questions that they specify which component set(s) they are using because
> > the answer can be quite different based on the component sets involved.
> >
> > Suggestions from Chris and others as to how to make this information more
> > accessible are encouraged.
> >
> > My 2 cents,
> > -Alex
> >
> >
> > On 10/8/19, 8:18 AM, "Carlos Rovira" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >     Hi,
> >
> >     I mean that like RO, that's a non visual component used to perform
> >     communications, we have other "components" or "code" that can be
> >     implemented as beads or strands.
> >     The concept behind is that Royale have the minimum code needed for
> >     functionality, and compose other parts (whatever the purpose of the
> > code
> >     could be). So while UI Components use to refer to code that are
> visual
> > and
> >     use to be a Button, a List or a Checkbox, strands are more agonistic
> > about
> >     that particular use case, so seems, IMHO a better way to describe it
> > from
> >     that point of view.
> >
> >     El mar., 8 oct. 2019 a las 10:14, Chris Velevitch (<
> >     [email protected]>) escribió:
> >
> >     > So you are suggesting a RemoteObject is a headless component who's
> >     > base class only supports the model and controller plugins and that
> UI
> >     > classes extend the headless component to add in the view?
> >     >
> >     > On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 at 15:52, Carlos Rovira <
> [email protected]>
> >     > wrote:
> >     > >
> >     > > Hi Chris,
> >     > >
> >     > > thanks for sharing your thoughts.
> >     > >
> >     > > IMHO, not always a "strand" is a "visual component". This
> relation
> > is not
> >     > > always true. a strand could be a non visual component (for
> example
> > the
> >     > > implementation of RemoteObject in the Network library). And a
> bead
> > could
> >     > be
> >     > > a strand itself.
> >     > >
> >     > > I think the term component is right in most cases and accomplish
> a
> >     > meaning
> >     > > purpose, but strand/beads concept comes to give another subset of
> > meaning
> >     > >
> >     > > just my opinion about this.
> >     > >
> >     > > Carlos
> >     > >
> >     > >
> >     > >
> >     > > El mar., 8 oct. 2019 a las 9:23, Chris Velevitch (<
> >     > [email protected]>)
> >     > > escribió:
> >     > >
> >     > > > The use of the terms "strands" and "beads" still doesn't make
> > sense to
> >     > > > me because they are concepts I have never heard before and it
> is
> >     > > > creating a barrier to acceptance and deepens the learning
> curve.
> > As
> >     > > > far as I can tell, it's something to do with visual/UI
> > components.
> >     > > >
> >     > > > The section "Strands and Beads" should ideally be titled
> "Visual
> >     > > > Components" because that section is about visual components and
> > is
> >     > > > alluding to the fact visual components are standalone
> microcosms
> > of
> >     > > > the MVC pattern and the ability to treat the model, view and
> >     > > > controller as plugins to the component. The statement that
> > components
> >     > > > are "strands" is, in my mind, misleading because it doesn't
> make
> > sense
> >     > > > to interchange terms components and strands if a strand is a
> >     > > > component. In fact, diving into the code, the "addBead"
> function
> > gives
> >     > > > the "bead" a reference to the component the "bead" is being
> > added to.
> >     > > >
> >     > > > It is clear from the documentation that "beads" are "plugins"
> > and the
> >     > > > documentation should be talking about extending components with
> >     > > > plugins. All references to "bead" should be replaced with
> > "plugin" and
> >     > > > all references to "strand" be replaced with either
> > "hostComponent", or
> >     > > > "parent" or appropriately something else.
> >     > > >
> >     > > > We seem to be neglecting the rich heritage that we have gotten
> > from
> >     > > > Adobe Flex and I don't see the point giving existing concepts
> new
> >     > > > names.
> >     > > >
> >     > >
> >     > >
> >     > > --
> >     > > Carlos Rovira
> >     > >
> >
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> >
> >
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> >
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