Carlos,

Go ahead and implement as you wanted to - as I said. I will just use it
with everything what Jewel brings up. I will be using it as it was before,
since you are saying it's working. Make sure that is working in every
cases. This is what I wanted it now.

It won't land into the Basic, but I recommend you to try for the testing
purposes changing UIBase in Basic. Launch examples in our repository - the
most sophisticated one. Go to my transpiledactionscript [1] repository and
build all available examples. - If everything will looks perfectly fine -
That's great!

[1] https://github.com/piotrzarzycki21/TranspiledActionScript/tree/examples

Thanks, Piotr

2018-03-14 8:40 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira <[email protected]>:

> Hi Piotr,
>
> no. that's what Alex ask me, not what I propose...¿?
> I said the simple solution in my email (1 line), please re-read
>
> after one day of giving you lots of evidence you don't respond me...but in
> this case, you read the inverse and respond.
> Piotr, at this point I see clear that you like the className option over
> classList, although I give performance reports, and all can be workout to
> your like. If you don't like many .dots, we can abstract in a UIBase direct
> method. All can be done. But I need less negativity in something that I'm
> convinced after some days to work with that's the right way to go, at least
> in Jewel. In Basic, I don't mind if this goes with classNames. I read and
> respond all emails about the cons from Harbs, and I almost didn't see any
> real problem but preferences on how to proceed, what is normal, since any
> of us has its own way to see things and how to solve them, but I didn't see
> any real problem with classList, what seems normal to me since is an API
> that others out there are wanting to use (like the link I posted about
> Jquery). Don't know what more I can do. Maybe nothing since I see each one
> has its own vision and I can't convince you more and give you more valid
> arguments and evidences.
>
> I'm with Alex position to fix number calls to classList, I think I can
> reach half way what is proposing by my side, and then he can let me know
> what's the rest of the way if there's one.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2018-03-14 8:23 GMT+01:00 Piotr Zarzycki <[email protected]>:
>
> > Carlos,
> >
> > You can do, but I will use className to manipulate things instead taking
> > component.element.classList.remove <- To many dots. Previous way doesn't
> > require from me as a user cleaning anything.  I can tell you from the
> > perspective me as a user who already had an opportunity to write
> production
> > application, that I will use className instead add/remove anything.
> >
> > Are you saying that now I have to do ?
> >
> > myComp.className = "Carlos Piotr Alex";
> > myComp.className = "";
> > myComp.className = "Carlos Alex";
> >
> > It looks like we won't convince you to just use UIBase as is today, so go
> > ahead and implement as you wanted in the Jewel.
> >
> > Btw. In the old way once your component is created no one prevent you use
> > component.element.classList add/remove/toggle - It will work once
> component
> > is created - This is important.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Piotr
> >
> >
> >
> > 2018-03-14 7:44 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira <[email protected]>:
> >
> > > Hi Alex,
> > >
> > > to recete the classList you can do className = "" and reenter typeNames
> > and
> > > classNames
> > > I think is the only way, then you can continue doing add/remove/toggle
> > > though classList.
> > >
> > > In your example you're still thinking in className mode, you can do
> > easily
> > > with classList.remove('Piotr'')
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2018-03-14 0:07 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <[email protected]>:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 3/13/18, 3:16 PM, "[email protected] on behalf of Carlos
> > > Rovira"
> > > > <[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Hi Alex,
> > > > >
> > > > >2018-03-13 19:20 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <[email protected]>:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hi Carlos,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I took a quick look.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 1) I don't see how if the user did:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> myComp.className = "Carlos";
> > > > >> myComp.className = "";
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >Right this case is missing, we need to add it, but seems simple
> since
> > is
> > > > >deal with value == ""
> > > >
> > > > Carlos, that was a simple example.  What about:
> > > >
> > > > myComp.className = "Carlos Piotr Alex";
> > > > myComp.className = "Carlos Alex";
> > > >
> > > > The "Piotr" class would need to be removed.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> That 'Carlos' would be removed from the classList.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 2) I still don't like that we are calling split and apply on
> > classList
> > > > >> even for simple assignment of a single className
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 3) I don't like that as we aggregate typeNames that we will reset
> > > > >> className to "" and call split more than once.  Not to mention the
> > > > >> overhead of the extra function calls now that typeNames is not a
> var
> > > and
> > > > >> now a getter/setter.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >ok
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> That said, I also took another look at the Basic UIBase code and
> > don't
> > > > >> like it either.  Seems like it could be optimized as well and have
> > > > >> setClassName call computeFinalClassNames.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Regarding performance.  I think the key issue is that every change
> > to
> > > > >> element.className or element.classList can cause a DOM update, so
> > you
> > > > >> don't want to change element.className or element.classList more
> > than
> > > > >>once
> > > > >> during the initialization of the component.  I didn't watch the
> > videos
> > > > >>you
> > > > >> linked to, but in the first link to a blog post, that person was
> > just
> > > > >> replacing a one-time setting of className to a string with a call
> to
> > > > >> classList.add.  But his code is probably pre-parsed into the
> > parameter
> > > > >> list to classList.add.  We have to compute it from a String.split.
> > > And
> > > > >> the current code you have proposed is going to change classList
> > > several
> > > > >> times as we aggregate typeNames.  That doesn't seem right.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >I think the video is short and explained very well. I think is good
> to
> > > > >review it
> > > > >
> > > > >But I think is ok to change my code to get a better performant one.
> > Mine
> > > > >was created only to see
> > > > >it works, now we need to tune depending on the different entry
> points
> > as
> > > > >you say
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> If you want to use classList everywhere, I think we'd have to
> shadow
> > > it
> > > > >> with an array so we only set the array of strings on classList as
> > > > >>needed,
> > > > >> but classList isn't set up to do a full replacement, AFAICT.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> IMO, if you want to continue to pursue use of classList, you would
> > > focus
> > > > >> on just replacing computeFinalClassNames and/or setClassName with
> > > > >> classList handling and see how it looks.  Leave typeNames as a var
> > and
> > > > >>let
> > > > >> it aggregate without touching classList.  UIBase will eventually
> > call
> > > > >> setClassName in addedToParent.  That is the point in the lifecycle
> > > where
> > > > >> the user might have set some classNames and the typeNames have
> been
> > > > >> aggregated and maybe "fab" or "primary" has been set as well.
> > Either
> > > > >>you
> > > > >> track everything in a shadow array or you do one big split then.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Do we know if you set className then read classList, doesn't
> > classList
> > > > >> represent the things set in className?  If that's the case, then
> in
> > > > >> MDL/Jewel, "fab" and "primary" should just check to see if
> > > addedToParent
> > > > >> has been called and the classNames/classList has been stuffed and
> if
> > > it
> > > > >> has, just call classList.toggle.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> However, IMO, the simplest solution should be to leave UIBase as
> is.
> > > > >>MDL
> > > > >> and Jewel should just have to override computeFinalClassNames to
> > > include
> > > > >> adding "fab"/"primary" to the final set of strings.  I don't
> > > understand
> > > > >> why other work would be needed.  But the "fab"/"primary" getter
> > > setters
> > > > >> should be able to call classList.toggle instead of
> > > > >>computeFinalClassNames
> > > > >> and/or setClassName.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> If you want to separately prove that it is faster to call
> > > String.split()
> > > > >> and set classList instead of passing the space-delimited strings
> to
> > > > >> className, that's fine too.  The difference for us vs the link you
> > > > >>posted
> > > > >> is that we MUST start with space-delimited strings coming from the
> > > MXML,
> > > > >> so at least one split() call is required.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >I spend some hours trying and
> > > > >* change typeNames to only one var again, then in addToParent I
> reset
> > > the
> > > > >className, I think this solves the problem of using typeNames lots
> of
> > > > >times
> > > > >and call split and apply lots of times
> > > > >* I tried to create again a computedFinalClassNames to handle
> > classList.
> > > > >* The only problem I see is that if don't see any way to avoid call
> > > split
> > > > >and apply each time you call setClassName since a compute final is
> > > needed.
> > > > >Or I'm missing something?
> > > >
> > > > Not sure. I was wondering if you could track which elements in the
> > array
> > > > belong to typeNames so that portion doesn't need to be re-split.  I
> > > really
> > > > don't know.  Like maybe when typeNames is first split, remember the
> > > number
> > > > of elements in the split.
> > > >
> > > > HTH,
> > > > -Alex
> > > > >
> > > > >Maybe could be good that you write some code (pseudo code) here
> better
> > > to
> > > > >explain what you propose
> > > > >since I don't know if I'm understanding your phrases accurately
> > > > >
> > > > >It's time for me to go to sleep, tomorrow I'll check if you posted
> > > > >something to try it
> > > > >
> > > > >thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Of course, I could be missing something...
> > > > >> -Alex
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 3/13/18, 10:30 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of
> Carlos
> > > > >>Rovira"
> > > > >> <[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >Hi Alex,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >right, I tested it in JewelExample. If you find something that
> does
> > > not
> > > > >> >conform to what you thinked please let me know to address it.
> > > > >> >I think it should not be very difficult to handle some isolated
> > case
> > > > >>with
> > > > >> >what we have
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >thanks
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >2018-03-13 18:24 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <[email protected]
> >:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >> Hi Carlos,
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Just so I'm clear, you believe that UIBase.as in the
> jewel-ui-set
> > > > >>branch
> > > > >> >> addresses all of these issues?  I've just been watching
> commits,
> > so
> > > > >>if
> > > > >> >>you
> > > > >> >> think that's the case then I will look at the current state of
> > your
> > > > >> >>UIBase.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Thanks,
> > > > >> >> -Alex
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> On 3/13/18, 10:14 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of
> > Carlos
> > > > >> >>Rovira"
> > > > >> >> <[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> >Hi Alex,
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >2018-03-13 17:50 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui
> <[email protected]
> > >:
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> Hi Carlos,
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> I do not think you are considering all of the scenarios in
> > your
> > > > >> >>proposed
> > > > >> >> >> code.  I'm sad that I have to delineate them again, but I
> will
> > > > >>try.
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> 1) In Basic there are two sets of strings:  The fixed set
> from
> > > > >> >>typeNames
> > > > >> >> >> that should "never" change.  And the className set from the
> > user
> > > > >>that
> > > > >> >> >>can
> > > > >> >> >> not only add, but also remove a set of HTML classes.
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >I see the next email so I respond to this in the following, I
> > > solved
> > > > >> >>that
> > > > >> >> >and explain later
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> 2) In MDL and I guess Jewel, there is a third set.  They are
> > > tied
> > > > >>to
> > > > >> >> >> properties like you said.  "fab" and "primary", and things
> > like
> > > > >>that.
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >Yes this will be the normal case in users. People using Jewel
> or
> > > > >>other
> > > > >> >>UI
> > > > >> >> >set with look and feel will
> > > > >> >> >use properties as their normal basis in the same way they do
> now
> > > in
> > > > >>MDL
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> 3) For PAYG reasons, it would be great if Basic did not have
> > to
> > > > >> >> >> contemplate the third set.
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> 4) For PAYG reasons, it would be nice if Basic did not have
> to
> > > > >>assume
> > > > >> >> >> conversion to array and call split().  The current code in
> the
> > > > >> >>develop
> > > > >> >> >> branch lets the browser do the split() in native code.
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >for 3 and 4 what's the best way to left UIBase untouched so I
> > can
> > > > >>use
> > > > >> >>my
> > > > >> >> >code in Jewel?
> > > > >> >> >Is the actual way of duplicating the code for UIBase in my own
> > > > >>library
> > > > >> >>the
> > > > >> >> >best way?
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> Then, as a performance consideration, Harbs claims that
> > changing
> > > > >> >> >>classList
> > > > >> >> >> is expensive.
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >I don't will say that there's a low performance, but my guess
> is
> > > > >>that
> > > > >> >>is
> > > > >> >> >nothing that we should have in consideration, but we can
> discuss
> > > it
> > > > >> >>later.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> So, your proposed solution MUST allow the user to
> > delete/remove
> > > > >>any
> > > > >> >> >> strings they added without removing strings added from
> > typeNames
> > > > >>or
> > > > >> >>from
> > > > >> >> >> the "fab"/"primary" properties.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >That's now working
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> And allow add/remove of the user's
> > > > >> >> >> strings before or after changing properties like "fab" and
> > > > >>"primary".
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >as we are dealing with a collection this is working and only
> one
> > > > >>copy
> > > > >> >>of
> > > > >> >> >the string is maintained and outputted, I think in this way
> > > > >> >> >less errors of this kind should happen
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> Show us how that will work.  I'm pretty sure it is possible.
> > > > >>Then we
> > > > >> >> >>will
> > > > >> >> >> debate the performance aspects.
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >I have it right now completely working in my branch, so it's a
> > > > >>matter
> > > > >> >>to
> > > > >> >> >try it in JewelExample
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> Thanks,
> > > > >> >> >> -Alex
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> On 3/13/18, 6:49 AM, "[email protected] on behalf of
> > > Carlos
> > > > >> >> >>Rovira"
> > > > >> >> >> <[email protected] on behalf of
> [email protected]
> > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> >So, you if is == you expect that setting className in
> royale
> > > you
> > > > >> >>remove
> > > > >> >> >> >all
> > > > >> >> >> >inclusive typeNames?
> > > > >> >> >> >Harbs, className is not equal to class in HTML
> > > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >2018-03-13 14:08 GMT+01:00 Harbs <[email protected]>:
> > > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >> className in Royale == class in HTML.
> > > > >> >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> >> > On Mar 13, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Carlos Rovira
> > > > >> >> >><[email protected]>
> > > > >> >> >> >> wrote:
> > > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >> > I think we're getting to the point in this discussion.
> > > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >> > For me as a user, I expect to use className property to
> > > > >>"add",
> > > > >> >>and
> > > > >> >> >>not
> > > > >> >> >> >> > override all I have
> > > > >> >> >> >> > for that reason in MDL and now in Royale we decided to
> > > create
> > > > >> >> >> >>properties
> > > > >> >> >> >> > (that use to be boolean) like "primary" or in MDL "fab"
> > to
> > > > >>add
> > > > >> >>or
> > > > >> >> >> >>remove
> > > > >> >> >> >> > those properties (since are library properties that are
> > > > >>managed
> > > > >> >> >> >> > specifically).
> > > > >> >> >> >> > I don't want to set primary and then className removes
> > > that!
> > > > >>I
> > > > >> >> >>think
> > > > >> >> >> >>that
> > > > >> >> >> >> > function is not right and will be the cause of many
> > > problems.
> > > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >> > If the user wants to remove all class names, he can do
> > > with a
> > > > >> >> >>method
> > > > >> >> >> >>that
> > > > >> >> >> >> > callls element.classList.remove, but the behavior by
> > > default
> > > > >> >> >> >>shouldn't be
> > > > >> >> >> >> > to use className to get rid of all what we have.
> > > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >> > If you work with html directly , is normal to write
> > > > >> >>class="class1
> > > > >> >> >> >>class2
> > > > >> >> >> >> > ..." and create from scratch
> > > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >> > in Royale you write mxml and as3 and use className to
> add
> > > > >> >> >>additional
> > > > >> >> >> >> > classes that are not in the api but not to remove the
> > ones
> > > > >>the
> > > > >> >> >> >>component
> > > > >> >> >> >> > set plus the ones the user "switched" on/off due to
> > > > >>properties
> > > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >> > 2018-03-13 13:42 GMT+01:00 Harbs <
> [email protected]
> > >:
> > > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> No. className is supposed to *replace* the entire
> > > classList
> > > > >> >>minus
> > > > >> >> >>the
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> internally managed ones (i.e. typeNames). Your code
> > > > >>drastically
> > > > >> >> >> >>changes
> > > > >> >> >> >> the
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> current behavior.
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> You cannot use add for that and replacing the
> classList
> > > will
> > > > >> >> >>destroy
> > > > >> >> >> >> your
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> custom class names.
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>> On Mar 13, 2018, at 2:34 PM, Carlos Rovira
> > > > >> >> >><[email protected]
> > > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>> Solving the multiple string value problem:
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>> This: <j:TextButton text="PRIMARY"
> > > className="myCustomStyle
> > > > >> >>some
> > > > >> >> >> >>other"
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>> primary="true"/>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>> *<button type="button" class="jewel button textbutton
> > > > >> >> >>myCustomStyle
> > > > >> >> >> >> some
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>> other primary" style="margin: 10px 0px 0px; display:
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>> block;">PRIMARY</button>*
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>> with this change
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>> COMPILE::JS
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>> protected function setClassName(value:String):void
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>> {
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>> var classes:Array = value.split(" ");
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>> element.classList.add.apply(element.classList,
> > classes);
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>> }
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>> I think this was all the problems we have right?
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>> 2018-03-13 13:20 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira
> > > > >> >> >><[email protected]>:
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> Hi Piotr,
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> that's one of the advantages of a collection, order
> > > > >>doesn't
> > > > >> >> >> >>matter! :)
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> <j:TextButton text="PRIMARY"
> className="myCustomStyle"
> > > > >> >> >> >> primary="true"/>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> output:
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> *<button type="button" class="jewel button
> textbutton
> > > > >> >> >>myCustomStyle
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> primary" style="margin: 10px 0px 0px; display:
> > > > >> >> >> >> block;">PRIMARY</button>*
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> this is one of the reason to change, since you'll
> end
> > > > >>trying
> > > > >> >>to
> > > > >> >> >> >>figure
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> what comes in first or not.
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> Do you need more evidence?
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> Thanks
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> 2018-03-13 12:48 GMT+01:00 Piotr Zarzycki
> > > > >> >> >> >><[email protected]
> > > > >> >> >> >> >:
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> In my example orders matters. Setup first className
> > > than
> > > > >> >>your
> > > > >> >> >> >> property.
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 12:39 Harbs <
> > > [email protected]
> > > > >
> > > > >> >> >>wrote:
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Hi Carlos,
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> I definitely appreciate the work you are doing.
> I’m
> > > > >>swamped
> > > > >> >> >>with
> > > > >> >> >> >> work
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> right now, so I don’t have the time to spend
> helping
> > > > >>you.
> > > > >> >> >>(Sorry
> > > > >> >> >> >> about
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> that.) :-(
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> I think the discussions here are about pretty
> minor
> > > > >>points.
> > > > >> >> >>You
> > > > >> >> >> >>can
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> certainly implement jewel how you think makes
> sense,
> > > > >>but if
> > > > >> >> >>you
> > > > >> >> >> >>want
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> to
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> make changes to basic in areas which are not
> broken,
> > > > >>there
> > > > >> >> >>needs
> > > > >> >> >> >>to
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> be a
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> really good reason to do so.
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> My $0.02,
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> Harbs
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> On Mar 13, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Carlos Rovira <
> > > > >> >> >> >> [email protected]>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Hi Piotr,
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> thanks for your words, but is difficult to work
> on
> > > > >> >>something
> > > > >> >> >> >>when
> > > > >> >> >> >> you
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> believe in your vision and others no, and more
> over
> > > > >>when
> > > > >> >>all
> > > > >> >> >>the
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> facts
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> you
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> see corroborates that vision. It's difficult to
> > > > >>maintain
> > > > >> >>live
> > > > >> >> >> >>the
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> moto in
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> that scenario.
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> but anyway for you Kindly words
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Carlos
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> 2018-03-13 12:21 GMT+01:00 Piotr Zarzycki <
> > > > >> >> >> >> [email protected]
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> :
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Carlos,
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> In my opinion you are not facing the wall from
> US.
> > > You
> > > > >> >>are
> > > > >> >> >> >>facing
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> the
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> wall
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> from lack of volounteers who can help, do the
> job.
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Believe me your Jewel effort in my list of tasks
> > is
> > > > >> >>almost
> > > > >> >> >>on
> > > > >> >> >> >>the
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> Top. I
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> have to fiinish planned work in
> > > TranspiledActionScript
> > > > >> >>first
> > > > >> >> >> >>and I
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> hope
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> to
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> join.
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> When it will be - maybe in couple of weeks. In
> the
> > > end
> > > > >> >> >> >>something
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> have to
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> pay the bills and Royale is only fraction of
> that.
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> I contribute in other related areas. I Wish I
> > could
> > > > >> >> >>contribute
> > > > >> >> >> >>in
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> your
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> way
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> or Alex and Peter.
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Thanks for your work!
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Piotr
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018, 12:00 Piotr Zarzycki <
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> [email protected]>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> I personally said - Go and try, report back. I
> > have
> > > > >>gave
> > > > >> >> >>you
> > > > >> >> >> >>an
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> real
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> world
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> examples where classList failed. Try and post
> the
> > > > >> >>results.
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> 2018-03-13 11:49 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira <
> > > > >> >> >> >> [email protected]
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>> :
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> it's very hard to me to invest lot of time
> both
> > in
> > > > >> >>tryin
> > > > >> >> >>to
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> develop
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> something useful in the look and feel field
> for
> > us
> > > > >> >>where
> > > > >> >> >>no
> > > > >> >> >> >> other
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> is
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> doing
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> work, trying to explain and discuss all
> issues I
> > > > >>find
> > > > >> >> >>without
> > > > >> >> >> >> get
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> any
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> traction. It's like to face a wall all the
> time.
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Maybe I'm wrong with my proposals but other
> > times
> > > my
> > > > >> >> >> >>perception
> > > > >> >> >> >> is
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> that
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> things are settled in a particular way
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> and we don't want to change it since is
> working
> > in
> > > > >>the
> > > > >> >> >> >>current
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> state.
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> But
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> think we always where thinking of change
> things
> > as
> > > > >>we
> > > > >> >> >>evolve
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> Royale.
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> We're
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> in a 0.9.2 release, we're not in 1.0, but the
> > way
> > > > >>we're
> > > > >> >> >> >>managing
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> all
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> issues
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> seems to
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> me that we're fine with what we have now and
> we
> > > are
> > > > >> >> >>freezing
> > > > >> >> >> >>the
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> API.
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> In all the issues raised last days only CSS
> > > compiler
> > > > >> >> >>errors
> > > > >> >> >> >>are
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> real
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> bugs,
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> since without that fixes royale can't output
> > > > >>concrete
> > > > >> >>CSS
> > > > >> >> >> >>rules
> > > > >> >> >> >> (I
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> think
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> those not require any discussion)
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> The font injection is maybe another bug (don't
> > > know
> > > > >> >>why a
> > > > >> >> >> >>class
> > > > >> >> >> >> in
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> a
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> theme
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> is not "visible" by the final app), but can be
> > > > >> >> >>workarounded
> > > > >> >> >> >>with
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> an
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> html
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> that setup the font for now.
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Things like classNames discussion are not
> > critical
> > > > >>(I
> > > > >> >> >>know),
> > > > >> >> >> >> it's
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> just a
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> matter to refine the API since I had problems
> > each
> > > > >> >>time I
> > > > >> >> >>go
> > > > >> >> >> >> that
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> path,
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> first with MDL and now with Jewel. Maybe I'm
> the
> > > > >>only
> > > > >> >>one
> > > > >> >> >> >>since
> > > > >> >> >> >> no
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> other
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> has tried what I'm trying to do: Creating
> > Themes.
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, give the users only a way to
> > manage
> > > > >> >> >>classNames
> > > > >> >> >> >> vía
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> string,
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> is insufficient and cumbersome and deserves
> at a
> > > > >> >>minimun
> > > > >> >> >>some
> > > > >> >> >> >> API
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> methods
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> since is an important point in how UI is
> > stylized,
> > > > >>and
> > > > >> >>how
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> controls
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> and
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> objects in html can be "extended" or
> > diferenciated
> > > > >> >>(Alex
> > > > >> >> >> >> explained
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> very
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> well the importance of this in the typenames
> > > > >>thread).
> > > > >> >>So
> > > > >> >> >>some
> > > > >> >> >> >> API
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> to
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> ease
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> that is for me very Wellcome since I'm doing
> > that
> > > > >>work,
> > > > >> >> >>and
> > > > >> >> >> >>will
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> be
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> more
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> users doing that work. In this point, I don't
> > > think
> > > > >>we
> > > > >> >> >>should
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> shield
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> us
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> in
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> things like PAYG or if that is a bit less
> > > > >>performant.
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> To close and avoid having much discussion to
> not
> > > > >>reach
> > > > >> >>to
> > > > >> >> >> >>some
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> valuable
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> point:  I can try to go with what we have, but
> > > > >>makes me
> > > > >> >> >>feel
> > > > >> >> >> >>not
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> so
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> good
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> about the continuous rejection of my
> proposals.
> > As
> > > > >> >>well,
> > > > >> >> >>you
> > > > >> >> >> >>are
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> saying
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> that we should wait to what users demand...but
> > I'm
> > > > >>an
> > > > >> >> >>user of
> > > > >> >> >> >> the
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> API,
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> and
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> my perception as a "zero user" seems to be not
> > > > >> >>valuable.
> > > > >> >> >> >>Since I
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> don't
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> get
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> traction on this, I'll try to continue with
> what
> > > we
> > > > >> >>have
> > > > >> >> >>and
> > > > >> >> >> >> >> report
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>> back
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> 2018-03-13 9:24 GMT+01:00 Harbs
> > > > >> >><[email protected]>:
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> +1.
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 13, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Alex Harui
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>> <[email protected]>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am so sad and frustrated that we have
> spent
> > so
> > > > >>much
> > > > >> >> >>time
> > > > >> >> >> >>on
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> managing a
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> set of strings.  I just don't think we have
> > the
> > > > >> >>people
> > > > >> >> >> >>power
> > > > >> >> >> >> to
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> continue
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> to seek perfection until it is truly needed
> > by a
> > > > >> >>user.
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> --
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Carlos Rovira
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> >> >> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%
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> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> --
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Piotr Zarzycki
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Patreon:
> > > > >> >> >> >>*https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> >> >> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pat
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> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> --
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Carlos Rovira
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
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> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> --
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>> Carlos Rovira
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> >> >> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%
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> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>> --
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>> Carlos Rovira
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>>
> > > > >> >> >> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> >> >> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%
> > > > >> >> >> >>2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
> > > > >> >> >> 7Ce137bd7a9095473c2bcc08
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> > > > >> >> >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >> > --
> > > > >> >> >> >> > Carlos Rovira
> > > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> >> >> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%
> > > > >> >> >> >>2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
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> > > > >> >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> >--
> > > > >> >> >> >Carlos Rovira
> > > > >> >> >> >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> >> >> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2
> > > > >> >> >> >Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
> > > > >> >> >> 7Ce137bd7a9095473c2bcc08d5
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> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >--
> > > > >> >> >Carlos Rovira
> > > > >> >> >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> >> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2
> > > > >> >> >Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
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> > reserved=0
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >--
> > > > >> >Carlos Rovira
> > > > >> >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2
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> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >--
> > > > >Carlos Rovira
> > > > >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2
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