Landed.

Best,
tison.


tison <wander4...@gmail.com> 于2022年12月29日周四 17:51写道:

> Here are the related PRs:
>
> * https://github.com/apache/pulsar/pull/19100
> * https://github.com/apache/pulsar-site/pull/348
>
> Best,
> tison.
>
>
> tison <wander4...@gmail.com> 于2022年12月26日周一 21:45写道:
>
>> FYI tracking issue has been created:
>> https://github.com/apache/pulsar/issues/19064
>>
>> I plan to finish it by the end of next month.
>>
>> Best,
>> tison.
>>
>>
>> tison <wander4...@gmail.com> 于2022年12月21日周三 11:33写道:
>>
>>> Thanks for your feedback!
>>>
>>> @Yu
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing the previous thread. I looped in @michaeljmarshall
>>> here.
>>>
>>> @Jun
>>>
>>> It's possible but causes a new shortcoming: Now you should tell the
>>> contributor that the versioned docs are different from the NEXT version
>>> docs, lol.
>>>
>>> If our developers don't complain about these separated sources. Like @Asaf
>>> comment:
>>>
>>> > We can take, let's say, five features and see if they were actually
>>> done in
>>> > the same PR or separate PR. I guess that most documentation is actually
>>> > updated separately. Thus, from that perspective, maybe it’s not a con.
>>>
>>> Then we can do this refactor thoroughgoing.
>>>
>>> Also, if we keep, somehow several sources in the main repo. We still
>>> have shortcomings:
>>>
>>> 1. Duplicated CI workflows.
>>> 2. Cumbersome preview scaffolding in the main repo.
>>>
>>> ... which is the original purpose I'd like to overcome.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> tison.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jun Ma <momoma...@hotmail.com> 于2022年12月21日周三 11:19写道:
>>>
>>>> Is it possible to come up with a compromised solution that has the pros
>>>> of both sides but minimizes the side effect? I'm thinking maybe it's not
>>>> necessary to sacrifice the current contribution process, as long as it can
>>>> greatly reduce the load of back-end actions and source size. For example,
>>>> if we only move out the versioned docs to the site repo but keep the source
>>>> of the NEXT docs in the pulsar repo, does this help to win a large
>>>> proportion of those pros when people can still contribute as usual?
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Jiaqi Shen <gleiphir2...@gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2022 17:15
>>>> To: dev@pulsar.apache.org <dev@pulsar.apache.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Website precommit and move the source of docs
>>>> to the site repo
>>>>
>>>> +1, it makes sense to me.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jiaqi Shen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yu <li...@apache.org> 于2022年12月19日周一 20:57写道:
>>>>
>>>> > Hi tison,
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks for raising this up!
>>>> >
>>>> > Our community had a similar discussion previously and chose to "keep"
>>>> the
>>>> > doc repo stay in the Pulsar main repo at that time.
>>>> >
>>>> > [1] lists the pros and cons of "keep" and "not keep" solutions.
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm +0 on this proposal because I think the total scores of these two
>>>> > solutions are almost equal after weighing the pros and cons.
>>>> >
>>>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> >
>>>> > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/mf2xwntfgn84dq78ksqv22jk3drq6xb3
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 5:40 PM tison <wander4...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > Thanks for your feedback!
>>>> > >
>>>> > > @Asaf
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > pre-commit
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I mean CI checks before merging a patch. Currently, we don't run
>>>> checks
>>>> > for
>>>> > > the content before merging them. This causes a series of syntax
>>>> errors
>>>> > and
>>>> > > broken links issues. If we hold docs under site2 folder in the main
>>>> repo
>>>> > > and then copied to the site repo, we have two places to build such
>>>> CI
>>>> > > checks. What's worse, the checks for the main repo will be quite
>>>> > > cumbersome (that you do some if-else logic in the whole Pulsar CI
>>>> > > workflows, and do the sync sequentially in that workflow).
>>>> > >
>>>> > > If we hold the source of docs only in the site repo, we can extend
>>>> the
>>>> > > "precommit" workflow[1] I added recently to check for syntax errors
>>>> and
>>>> > > broken links also.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > What does the apache/pulsar-site repo contain today?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > It should be covered by the documentation guide page[2]. It holds
>>>> the
>>>> > > source of the official website and the user docs are synced from
>>>> the main
>>>> > > repo.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > What content do we have today in the pulsar repo related to the
>>>> site?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > After issue-18014[3] is done, we host only user docs and some JSON
>>>> > metadata
>>>> > > in the main repo, which is synced by site_syncer.py[4].
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > Can you explain that better? Are you saying pulsar source JARs
>>>> contain
>>>> > > the documentation?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > No. Source JARs contain only the Java files and necessary copyrights
>>>> > info.
>>>> > > The source release is, for example,
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>> https://archive.apache.org/dist/pulsar/pulsar-2.10.2/apache-pulsar-2.10.2-src.tar.gz
>>>> > > ,
>>>> > > which is extracted to 173M where 129M is occupied by the site2
>>>> folder.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > This also affects when developers do git clone to clone the repo.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > I mean, if you wish to document a bug fix in 2.9.x, for example,
>>>> would
>>>> > > you do it in the 2.9.x branch under site2/docs or
>>>> > > site2/website/versioned_docs/2.9.5?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > This is another question. Ideally, we should have hosted versioned
>>>> docs
>>>> > > associated with the specific version to that branch, like Apache
>>>> Flink
>>>> > does
>>>> > > as I mentioned[5]. But we do not, and actually the situation is we
>>>> update
>>>> > > the versioned docs under the master branch and thus, the docs can be
>>>> > synced
>>>> > > properly.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > See also the "Alternatives" section in the original email.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > @All
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Since we don't have objections to the possible cons listed above or
>>>> any
>>>> > new
>>>> > > ones, I'm going to create a tracking issue later this week and show
>>>> what
>>>> > > will be changed in PRs for further review.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Best,
>>>> > > tison.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > [1]
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>> https://github.com/apache/pulsar-site/blob/f7abc615d57d9846ed093922d24bff952dc0e838/.github/workflows/ci-precommit.yml
>>>> > > [2]
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>> https://pulsar.apache.org/contribute/document-contribution/#source-repositories
>>>> > > [3] https://github.com/apache/pulsar/issues/18014
>>>> > > [4]
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>> https://github.com/apache/pulsar-site/blob/f7abc615d57d9846ed093922d24bff952dc0e838/tools/pytools/lib/execute/site_syncer.py
>>>> > > [5] https://github.com/apache/flink/tree/master/docs
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > PengHui Li <peng...@apache.org> 于2022年12月19日周一 16:26写道:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > +1
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > I support moving them to the website repo.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Thanks,
>>>> > > > Penghui
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 12:04 PM Yunze Xu
>>>> <y...@streamnative.io.invalid
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > +1. The most significant point to me is that we can preview all
>>>> the
>>>> > > > > content of the website without synchronizing contents from the
>>>> > > > > apache/pulsar repo.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > Thanks,
>>>> > > > > Yunze
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 9:53 AM Li Li <urf...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > +1, That’s a good idea.
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > On Dec 16, 2022, at 07:07, tison <wander4...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > Hi,
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > After several works around the build flow of our official
>>>> > > > > website[1][2][3],
>>>> > > > > > > the content sync and site build flow is debuggable and
>>>> > reproducible
>>>> > > > > now.
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > However, compared to other Apache projects' websites'
>>>> project
>>>> > > layouts
>>>> > > > > and
>>>> > > > > > > workflow, we still meet two challenges on the Pulsar site:
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > 1. We don't have a pre-commit workflow for any
>>>> website-related
>>>> > > > changes.
>>>> > > > > > > Thus, we don't detect broken links or syntax errors when
>>>> > reviewing
>>>> > > > new
>>>> > > > > > > patches[4][5][6].
>>>> > > > > > > 2. The website's content is two-level down in
>>>> > `site2/website-next`
>>>> > > > for
>>>> > > > > > > historical reasons, which is confusing for contributors.
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > To overcome these two shortcomings, I propose the following:
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > 1. Move the website's content to the root level, then we
>>>> have a
>>>> > > > > first-class
>>>> > > > > > > Docu&yarn-based JS project layout. It's more convenient and
>>>> > > familiar
>>>> > > > to
>>>> > > > > > > related developers.
>>>> > > > > > > 2. Host the source of docs in the site repo
>>>> (apache/pulsar-site)
>>>> > > > > instead of
>>>> > > > > > > under `site2` folder in the main repo and do content sync.
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > Below are the pros and cons:
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > Pros
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > 1. Obviously, we have the pre-commit workflow now. And
>>>> since we
>>>> > > host
>>>> > > > > the
>>>> > > > > > > source of docs in one repo, we don't have to run the
>>>> pre-commit
>>>> > > > > workflow in
>>>> > > > > > > two places, which can be quite cumbersome to implement.
>>>> > > > > > > 2. The size of the source release of the main repo can be
>>>> > reduced a
>>>> > > > > lot.
>>>> > > > > > > Currently, 63MB out of 140MB of the sources are taken by the
>>>> > site2
>>>> > > > > folder,
>>>> > > > > > > which we can remove totally. In addition, we carry out
>>>> > > full-versioned
>>>> > > > > docs
>>>> > > > > > > every release.
>>>> > > > > > > 3. We can clean up a large portion of "integration" to
>>>> debug the
>>>> > > site
>>>> > > > > > > brittlely on the main repo[7]  (etc.) and redundant
>>>> contribution
>>>> > > > > guide[8].
>>>> > > > > > > This way, when updating docs, we can preview the result in
>>>> one
>>>> > repo
>>>> > > > > instead
>>>> > > > > > > of actually doing the sync on the fly. In addition, this
>>>> > > integration
>>>> > > > > blocks
>>>> > > > > > > we move the website content to the top level since it makes
>>>> > strong
>>>> > > > > > > assumptions about the relative layout.
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > Cons
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > The most significant con is that we cannot update the code
>>>> and
>>>> > docs
>>>> > > > in
>>>> > > > > one
>>>> > > > > > > patch against apache/pulsar now. You must open a new pull
>>>> request
>>>> > > to
>>>> > > > > > > apache/pulsar-site, cross-reference each other and manage
>>>> the
>>>> > merge
>>>> > > > > order
>>>> > > > > > > (synchronization).
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > Alternatives:
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > To resolve the versioned docs issue, an alternative is to
>>>> host
>>>> > only
>>>> > > > the
>>>> > > > > > > user docs along with each version, like Flink does[9]. But
>>>> it
>>>> > both
>>>> > > > > detaches
>>>> > > > > > > from the Docu framework and requires significant development
>>>> > > efforts.
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > Since it can explicitly change the development flow (that
>>>> is, you
>>>> > > > > should
>>>> > > > > > > now update docs separately), I am starting this discussion
>>>> here
>>>> > to
>>>> > > > > reach
>>>> > > > > > > for your feedback.
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > Welcome to leave your comments!
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > Best,
>>>> > > > > > > tison.
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > [1] https://pulsar.apache.org/
>>>> > > > > > > [2] https://github.com/apache/pulsar-site
>>>> > > > > > > [3] https://github.com/apache/pulsar/issues/18014
>>>> > > > > > > [4] https://github.com/apache/pulsar/issues/17599
>>>> > > > > > > [5]
>>>> > > > https://github.com/apache/pulsar/pull/17863#discussion_r990174850
>>>> > > > > > > [6]
>>>> > > > https://github.com/apache/pulsar/pull/17853#discussion_r991803704
>>>> > > > > > > [7]
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>> https://github.com/apache/pulsar/blob/b1f9e351fa4d5aba197d33cfc0c536516b55b61f/site2/website/start.sh
>>>> > > > > > > [8]
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>> https://pulsar.apache.org/contribute/document-preview/#preview-documentation-changes
>>>> > > > > > > [9] https://github.com/apache/flink/tree/master/docs
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>

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